AMD To Attack Performance Desktop Market With RYZEN

Xiphan said:
I think by the time I actually get my new stuff all the software and BIOS issues will have been worked out by then and it will be a stable platform. View attachment 24029
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I hope so for your part; that is an issue that can be fixed with a BIOS update, windows update, etc.

I can't remember that I've ever been a first adopter and usually it works out well.
When Sandy Bridge released, there was a hardware issue with the SATA Controller on all 6 Series chipset motherboards which caused performance degradation on SATA ports. So all motherboards were recalled and they released the B3 stepping which fixed the issue.
Hopefully this is just a software/firmware issue.

That is the risk you take an early adopter I suppose, hopefully it works out well :)
 
I'll be writing a review on Ryzen over the next 2 weeks. Will be testing 2 different motherboards and a 1700x. Trying to get a 1800X as well.
Will obviously post it here if you guys are interested.
 
FYI I was being a little salty in my post because I still haven't received my stuff yet. Despite placing a pre-order on the day pre-orders went live it meant nothing because I was told last week that suppliers are only expecting their shipment of the Asus Crosshair VI on the 9[SUP]th[/SUP]. :(
 
Xiphan said:
FYI I was being a little salty in my post because I still haven't received my stuff yet. Despite placing a pre-order on the day pre-orders went live it meant nothing because I was told last week that suppliers are only expecting their shipment of the Asus Crosshair VI on the 9[SUP]th[/SUP]. :(
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Lots of us ordered before launch and didn't receive our stuff bud. It looks like I'll be getting mine tomorrow though.
 
blaaislaai said:
[MENTION=2132]Xiphan[/MENTION] How's your Ryzen system doing?
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Sadly I haven't got it yet because there's been a delay on the mobo. :(

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When I asked Wootware last week when I could expect my order to be fulfilled they told me they are expecting the motherboards to arrive on the 9[SUP]th[/SUP] (tomorrow) so I am holding thumbs for that to be true. At the very least they already have the processors in stock:

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Which is great, but I suspect even if they get their motherboard shipment tomorrow I will still have to wait another week or so for my RAM to arrive because it was a special order item. :(
 
Woohoo! I just got an email with my tracking number from Wootware, looks like I'll be building my system this weekend! :D

Also for those of you waiting for news on the Ryzen 5 series, the following just leaked early via Guru3D:

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An album with those images at the bottom can be found here.
 
Now we just need some solid Vega hardware, and for Intel not to rain on AMD's parade with a competitive product launch.

While the latter is good for consumers in the short term, it won't be in the long term if AMD can't sell anything. Which makes me wonder if Intel aren't going to play that exact card considering what scumbag tactics they like to use against AMD.
 
KingKrush said:
Which makes me wonder if Intel aren't going to play that exact card considering what scumbag tactics they like to use against AMD.
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Like producing superior CPUs and effectively killing off their competition? AMD deserves blame for its own mistakes.
 
PsychoFish said:
Like producing superior CPUs and effectively killing off their competition? AMD deserves blame for its own mistakes.
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Guess you don't know anything about Intel's anti-competitive behaviour. Even got them a $1.4bn fine in the EU and they lost their appeal. Look it up.
 
PsychoFish said:
Like producing superior CPUs and effectively killing off their competition? AMD deserves blame for its own mistakes.
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I think they've been accused (and found guilty?) of killing off their competition in more ways than just producing a superior product...

Not that I believe they've just been sitting on their laurels, they're not that stupid. But if you have no competition you're gonna keep milking that consumer, and sit on anything new or innovative you produce so you can use it to 1-up any competition that comes.

Some dirty intel scandalous stuff :p
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KingKrush said:
Guess you don't know anything about Intel's anti-competitive behaviour. Even got them a $1.4bn fine in the EU and they lost their appeal. Look it up.
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mottamort said:
I think they've been accused (and found guilty?) of killing off their competition in more ways than just producing a superior product...

Not that I believe they've just been sitting on their laurels, they're not that stupid. But if you have no competition you're gonna keep milking that consumer, and sit on anything new or innovative you produce so you can use it to 1-up any competition that comes.

Some dirty intel scandalous stuff :p
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Yes, and if you check the AMD history you will also see that Intel and AMD have been suing and countersuing each other for decades. It's business, sometimes things go off the rails.

Don't get me wrong, competition is good for everyone. However AMDs downward spiral cannot be solely attributed to 5 or so lawsuits alone. Remember when AMD bought ATi for $5.4 billion in cash and how AMD shares sunk after that because they paid too much and as their investors worried about the new debt they had to get $2.5 billion in financing to pay for the purchase. AMD couldn’t execute well, couldn’t sell enough of its products, and was straining financially. AMD ended 2007 over $5 billion in debt and lost $3.3 billion on the year, its worst single-year loss over the previous 15 years. AMD was therefore finding it difficult to keep up with the costs of running its own chip fabrication facilities. The company needed to keep upgrading its existing fabs in Germany, but it was also looking to build a new facility up in New York state. Especially in light of the ATI purchase, the company’s coffers just couldn’t support the stress.

AMD was slashing operating expenses by laying off engineers. Their core business was basically collapsing. So as much as Intel was manipulating the market, you have to ask yourself if that was the only thing that mattered?
 
Xiphan said:
From what I can tell the chips have actually been selling really well and it's only been motherboard makers which have hurt the launch by being unable to meet the demand.
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The main reason behind this is that AMD delayed the release of extremely important technical documentation to the manufacturers until the very last minute.

Xiphan said:
Uh... In the past AMD actually had the superior chip for gaming. Their FX-57 and FX-60 chips were the performance leaders and Intel's Extreme Edition P4 couldn't even beat an Athlon X2. Another example of their superiority, and possibly one of the most significant, is the fact that AMD64 was adopted as the x86-64 standard over IA-64 because of its backwards compatibility with x86. So we have AMD to thank for the ability to run 32-bit apps without performance penalty on 64-bit systems.
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Stop, hold your horses. The 64-bit era was an arms race. The IA-64 (Itanium) has its history in a very specific problem that HP had and Intel and HP together developed the architecture. The IA-64 architecture and the compiler were much more difficult to implement than originally thought. Wheras x86-64 is merely the 64-bit version of the x86 instruction set. These are very different approaches to similar problems.

Xiphan said:
AMD has been really innovative over the years and we have them to thank for the landscape not becoming completely stagnant (though I can't help but wonder how different it would look today if Intel had not paid off OEMs :mad:). Anyway... You never want a monopoly in the market (remember Telkom and 3Gb data caps? :rolleyes:). So we should all be wishing AMD the best of success even if you are an Intel fan because as a consumer you will always be the winner if competition is rife in the market. ;)
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I want AMD to do well, it will be to the benefit of all. My point is that you cannot solely put the blame for some of AMD's failures on Intel. They made some questionable decisions that even their own CEO admitted was not the best. I hope Ryzen is a huge success that will actually see proper movement and innovation in the CPU space.
 
PsychoFish said:
Like producing superior CPUs and effectively killing off their competition? AMD deserves blame for its own mistakes.
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I have to digress, amd has made more superior cpu's than intel imo

386 reverse engineered licenced clone it which wasnt easy, and the amd cpu's ran up to 40 mhz, had a lower tdp and a smaller footprint, some even had a bit of L1 cache

486 same story amd even had a 5x86 133 cpu which was essentially a quadrupled 486 that gave u similiar performance to a P75

amd K5 Shit cpu end of story

Amd k6 back on track a cpu for P5 prices that essentially operated like a ppro converting risc to cisc etc.

K6 2 & II destroyed early Pentium II and celeron cpu's amd pushed the socket 7 platform to its limit.

athlon SLot A first cpu to hit the GHZ barrier

thunderbird and duron cpu's destroyed the p4's and celerons

athlon 64 first x86 compatible cpu that was backwards compatible unlike the itaniums, intel adopted the amd64 instructions in future cpu's

Amd has always been managed badly, that is the core problem, they are more creative and innovative than intel most of the times and intel has a r&D budget thats probably 60% more than what amd's got
 
Dohc-WP said:
I have to digress, amd has made more superior cpu's than intel imo

386 reverse engineered licenced clone it which wasnt easy, and the amd cpu's ran up to 40 mhz, had a lower tdp and a smaller footprint, some even had a bit of L1 cache

486 same story amd even had a 5x86 133 cpu which was essentially a quadrupled 486 that gave u similiar performance to a P75

amd K5 Shit cpu end of story

Amd k6 back on track a cpu for P5 prices that essentially operated like a ppro converting risc to cisc etc.

K6 2 & II destroyed early Pentium II and celeron cpu's amd pushed the socket 7 platform to its limit.

athlon SLot A first cpu to hit the GHZ barrier

thunderbird and duron cpu's destroyed the p4's and celerons

athlon 64 first x86 compatible cpu that was backwards compatible unlike the itaniums, intel adopted the amd64 instructions in future cpu's

Amd has always been managed badly, that is the core problem, they are more creative and innovative than intel most of the times and intel has a r&D budget thats probably 60% more than what amd's got
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Do you know that IA64 and x86_64 (amd64) are two completely separate things? IA64 was designed to be a Very long instruction word (VLIW) processor architectures designed to exploit instruction level parallelism (ILP). Whereas conventional CPUs allow programs to specify instructions to execute in sequence only, a VLIW processor allows programs to explicitly specify instructions to execute at the same time, concurrently, in parallel. This design is intended to allow higher performance without the complexity inherent in some other designs. This is the reason why you had x86, x86_64 and IA64 versions of Operating Systems. It was completely different architecture, Intel wanted to battle the high end server/RISC CPU market with something that was supposed to be somewhere between a RISC processor, but not quite as "bloated" as the x86 architecture. The main reason it didn't catch on was because it was such a far cry from what was effectively mainstream (namely the x86 instruction set).

What AMD did with x86_64 was to take the standard x86 instruction set and extend it with 64-bit integer arithmetic and logical operations, and 64-bit virtual addresses. Literally they took all general-purpose registers from 32 bits to 64 bits. and defined a 64-bit virtual address format. This effectively solved the 32-bit issue. The reality is that extending the x86 ISA was the right thing to do.

Funny thing is that Itanium is not dead. HP Integrity NonStop and the HP Integrity Superdome run Intel Itanium 9300/9500 Series Processors. With a new range actually being scheduled for release this year.
 
I've spent some time with Ryzen now and I feel I can give a fair assessment of performance ect.

I'll be posting a review for it sometime next week, wanted to do it earlier but I've been sick as a dog and not in the right frame of mind to finish the review.
 
The Joker said:
I've spent some time with Ryzen now and I feel I can give a fair assessment of performance ect.

I'll be posting a review for it sometime next week, wanted to do it earlier but I've been sick as a dog and not in the right frame of mind to finish the review.
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can not wait :D thanks Joker

hope you get well soon
 
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