Batman vs Superman

Snyder did a great many things right but he also did many great things wrong. I felt at certain points that it would have been better if Batman (Affleck) was introduced in his own film prior to being in BvS, because at some points of the film it felt like it's focus was more on Batman. Which is good, but you get pulled back again and remember that Lex and Superman are also there so it became a bit polarizing at some points. Affleck played an amazing role as Batman, Irons also helped build his character up so well as Alfred. As for Wonder Women I felt that she was thrown in there to keep the Justice League film from taking too long to come into fruition.

In short is not an Oscar winner and it's not a flop, it sits somewhere in between the two.
 
[MENTION=8104]Saint_Dee[/MENTION] I agree completely and good post. You are right about that thing where I thought it's something that Batman won't do and is known for not doing but apparently it's something that he did in the comics that the move is based on.
[MENTION=3017]Glordit[/MENTION] It would have been much better for the story if Affleck had his own Batman movie before this movie. It really feels like they tried to add too much to this movie.

I enjoyed it but it could have been better.
 
So I said the character stuff was good (except for Lex Luthor), but character motivations felt shallow. And that's not to say they weren't good but they felt extremely shallow as a symptom of the movie lacking any focus. I mean this 🎥 felt a random assortment of scenes (some of them were amazing scenes I'll grant you that) as opposed to a cohesive movie with a narrative that had something resembling structure.

I remember [MENTION=4613]TheAvenged87[/MENTION] and me having a discussion on how DC/WB was reverse engineering the Marvel/Disney formula and that could work and I remembering selling him on why it could work, well I clearly had a different interpretation. I am keen to see the future solo films but the Justice League not as much.

Also, aside from adapting The Dark Knight Returns, they also adapted my least favorite Superman comic book story somewhat and that saddens me
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The Death of Superman.
I can't believe they did that in a movie that was already this stacked...
 
Was utterly unimpressed with the movie. They could have cut out the first 1h30 minutes of the movie since it was pointless. Stupid dream sequences that kept breaking what little flow there was. Complete lack of motivation why people are doing what they did. Except flimsy things like I am insane, he is to strong and can possibly go bad etc etc. Also too much of a launch movie for justice league. I half expected Aquaman to come out of one of the fountains at one point. Cause like why not fill the movie with more rubbish.
 
I liked the movie, I didnt like the 2013 superman movie, felt like a destruction simulator add. This wasnt too bad, think Ben played really well. My apologies for the harsh remarks at first when hearing you were going to play Batman. :D

One major thing I didnt like was Lex...I have nothing against Eisenberg, like most of his movies (though, dont know what he was thinking when doing American Ultra...) but his portrayal of Lex was, felt kinda off to me. Like a childish Lex.

Saint_Dee said:
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The Death of Superman.
I can't believe they did that in a movie that was already this stacked...
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[MENTION=8104]Saint_Dee[/MENTION]. About the spoiler.
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Does he come alive again? I never read the comics, did hear about it. But, the ending in the movie, with the dust sort of rising on his coffin.... my all time fav superhero cant die... :(
 
VirtualForce said:
I liked the movie, I didnt like the 2013 superman movie, felt like a destruction simulator add. This wasnt too bad, think Ben played really well. My apologies for the harsh remarks at first when hearing you were going to play Batman. :D

One major thing I didnt like was Lex...I have nothing against Eisenberg, like most of his movies (though, dont know what he was thinking when doing American Ultra...) but his portrayal of Lex was, felt kinda off to me. Like a childish Lex.



[MENTION=8104]Saint_Dee[/MENTION]. About the spoiler.
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Does he come alive again? I never read the comics, did hear about it. But, the ending in the movie, with the dust sort of rising on his coffin.... my all time fav superhero cant die... :(
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Yes he does later on. But the there were so many fake supermen taking up his mantle after his death. Steel, Cyborg superman, Superboy and last son of Krypton
 
Saint_Dee said:
Here's a post I made in the TK



Man of Steel sits at a comfortable 8.5/10 for me (and I'll defend that to the death of me) whereas Batman v Superman sits at a 7 and runs the tightrope of being a 6.5 or a 7.5 as I digest and reconcile my thoughts.


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Like, I was frustrated by a lot of storytelling blunders, and sidenote I don't care about liberties they take with these characters because the source material history is so rich that there's so many different incarnations of these characters that you best believe there's incarnations who aren't like "our" definitive versions (our favorite versions I guess). Sidenote, that thing you think Batman wouldn't do, I can bet you right now there's an incarnation of him within the DC Universe that would do exactly that, and that's why I could never get hung up things like "Superman doesn't kill" or things that are specific to an incarnation of these characters because the comics themselves don't get hung up on those things as they keep redoing canon at intervals. In fact, I'd say the character stuff in the movie was great. Batman/Bruce Wayne* (might be my favorite cinematic Batman in terms of how he was portrayed), Superman/Clark*, Lois, Alfred, Perry, etc (expect Lex Luthor bothered me though for numerous plot related reasons).

*I include Bruce and Clark in this because they add to the character related progression of the alter egos in the movie.

My problem was that this was too dense a movie in the sense that were 5 stories being told and not enough focus on any of the threads for me to care or be invested, no real narrative structure giving the movie real forward momentum. Like so many cool things happened but throughout the movie I kept asking myself "what's the actual plot?". And it wasn't because there wasn't a plot, there were just too many plots that weren't serviced into a great narrative. The movie expects so much from a fan in terms of suspension of disbelief, and tries to sell on certain things in the story that just aren't earned in the narrative (don't get me wrong, a lot of it is cool but it is no way earned).

Also, the universe building stuff was SOOOOOOO FUCKING COOOOOL!!! But at the same put into the context of the movie was distracting. Man, mind is all over the place on this one. I need a second viewing to wrap my head around what my coherent thoughts are.

There were good ideas moving the movie, but there wasn't a real narrative that was given focus. What plot :confused:? Here, have all this fan service!
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i fully agree should have been more than one movie.
 
Warched the movie today and i quite enjoyed it, however i still dont like afleck as batman. he made him such a winey, sad, miserable character. also felt wonder woman was a bit disjointed in the movie as to why was she there, what was she doing, how does she fit into this movie. and then Jessie eisenberg although his acting was brilliant i also didnt like his portrayal of lex luthor... he reminded me so much of the Joker...
 
Wenzdayz said:
Warched the movie today and i quite enjoyed it, however i still dont like afleck as batman. he made him such a winey, sad, miserable character. also felt wonder woman was a bit disjointed in the movie as to why was she there, what was she doing, how does she fit into this movie. and then Jessie eisenberg although his acting was brilliant i also didnt like his portrayal of lex luthor... he reminded me so much of the Joker...
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That's cause he wasn't Lex Luthor.. He's Alexander Luthor, Lex's son :p

But ja, he gave so much of a Joker vibe
 
Cronus086 said:
That's cause he wasn't Lex Luthor.. He's Alexander Luthor, Lex's son :p

But ja, he gave so much of a Joker vibe
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SERIOUSLY???

O my word that makes a lot of sense! I honestly did not pick up ONCE in the movie that that wasnt supposed to be Lex Luthor...
 
ok so i dont want to be ignorant but isnt Lex's father called Lionel?! or is that just what they called him in the smallville series?
 
Wenzdayz said:
ok so i dont want to be ignorant but isnt Lex's father called Lionel?! or is that just what they called him in the smallville series?
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Lex's father was Lionel in smallville, but Lex's brother that dies was Alexander, so assuming that Lex Luthor named his SON Alexander, who is apparently the villain in this movie?
 
I liked the movie. Yeah they took liberties, but I enjoyed this one more than the first one. Also think a separate Batman movie was not needed (would have been nice though). Think we will see bits and pieces of this Bats history/story in upcoming releases (Suicide Squad for example). One pain I had was also the dream sequences. Didn't fully understand why or how they were supposed to happen. Maybe something to do with the Flash time jumping... all speculation though.
 
I loved the movie and have watched it 3 times already. Imax was awesome. Ben is a good batman but he's not Bale. But overall epic movie now i can't wait for Civil war :D
 
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