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Yeah, the choppers are a bit overpowered in my opinion. Pilots are all quick to say, yeah, just get three or 4 guys to lock on after each other, but good luck with that, as communicating with teamies not on teamspeak is not easy. Also, the pilot AND the gunner have flares, so good luck with that, as by the time the 2nd guys pops flares, the 1st one's has reloaded and can just carry on. Also, if the pilot is worth his salt in flying abilities, it becomes nigh on impossible to take him out by means of stingers. It then becomes an impracticle situation where half a team tries to take out one chopper.
 
there are two kinds of countermeasures in BF3

IR Flares:

In contrast to radar-guided missiles, IR-guided missiles are very difficult to find as they approach aircraft. They do not emit detectable radar, and they are generally fired from a rear visual-aspect, directly toward the engines. In most cases, pilots have to rely on their wingmen to spot the missile's smoke trail and alert them. Since IR-guided missiles are inherently far shorter-legged in distance and altitude range than their radar-guided counterparts, good situational awareness of altitude and potential threats continues to be an effective defense. More advanced electro-optical systems can detect missile launches automatically from the distinct thermal emissions of a missile's rocket motor.
Once the presence of a "live" IR missile is indicated, flares are released by the aircraft in an attempt to decoy the missile; some systems are automatic, while others require manual jettisoning of the flares.
The aircraft would then pull away at a sharp angle from the flare (and the terminal trajectory of the missile) and reduce engine power in attempt to cool the thermal signature. Optimally, the missile's seeker head is then confused by this change in temperature and flurry of new signatures, and therefore follows the flare(s) rather than the aircraft.
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and Chaff (ECM Jammer)

An electronic countermeasure (ECM) is an electrical or electronic device designed to trick or deceive radar, sonar or other detection systems, like infrared (IR) or lasers. It may be used both offensively and defensively to deny targeting information to an enemy. The system may make many separate targets appear to the enemy, or make the real target appear to disappear or move about randomly. It is used effectively to protect aircraft from guided missiles. Most air forces use ECM to protect their aircraft from attack. It has also been deployed by military ships and recently on some advanced tanks to fool laser/IR guided missiles. It is frequently coupled with stealth advances so that the ECM systems have an easier job. Offensive ECM often takes the form of jamming. Defensive ECM includes using blip enhancement and jamming of missile terminal homers.
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Just a wee bit of info

Both the FIM Stinger and Strela us IR tracking, essentially the infa-red signature released by the aircraft, what makes these things so dangerous is the fact that the missile goes after the heat source, ie the engine exhaust

The Stinger to date has been quite successful, keep in mind although it can shoot down enemy jets, its so unlikely due to altitude of the jets themselves and of course the counter measures, helicopters like the Apache, carry alot of chaff and IR flares. Stingers are actually best used for taking down transport/supply helicopters etc
 
Soooo in other words we left with trying to shoot down attack heli's with the main gun of the tank? Seeing as if i hit you are going down.
 
i'll let you guys in a wee bit info...being a chopper pilot..i know HOW to defeat the chopper

Stingers, leave them be

SOFLAM is you winner, i dont just mean the recon SOFLAM either, i mean laser paiting, the 3rd seat for instance in the tank allows the commander to lase targets, i then used the tanks guided shell to lockon to Helis (yes it works) fire the guided shell, heli flares and guess what, shell hit, heli is dead, you see in order to defeat laser painting one must have the ECM jammer which only lasts for 5 sec, i have shot down many a heli with the Javelin and guided shell, it works, VERY well, if a team keeps laser painting a heli, honestly, i WOULDNT want to be in the air, Laser painting is so underused, allowing the helicopters free reign, keep this in mind, its not easy to fly a chopper, its not a walk in the park, the nerf on the stingers IMO doesn't make sense, does make it easier but at the end of the day, you not invincible and its not impossible to take out the heli as Den is making it out to be :)

Den, come dude, fly with me, you know you love it...i dare any1 here to say chopper flying is easy...cause im keen to hear why you think so...baring in mind, you've actually flown the dam thing too! :D
 
so what buzz is saying is that we mustnt evens bother shooting at attack heli's because they not suppose to be taken down via infantry ...
 
OGBuzz said:
i'll let you guys in a wee bit info...being a chopper pilot..i know HOW to defeat the chopper

Stingers, leave them be

SOFLAM is you winner, i dont just mean the recon SOFLAM either, i mean laser paiting, the 3rd seat for instance in the tank allows the commander to lase targets, i then used the tanks guided shell to lockon to Helis (yes it works) fire the guided shell, heli flares and guess what, shell hit, heli is dead, you see in order to defeat laser painting one must have the ECM jammer which only lasts for 5 sec, i have shot down many a heli with the Javelin and guided shell, it works, VERY well, if a team keeps laser painting a heli, honestly, i WOULDNT want to be in the air, Laser painting is so underused, allowing the helicopters free reign, keep this in mind, its not easy to fly a chopper, its not a walk in the park, the nerf on the stingers IMO doesn't make sense, does make it easier but at the end of the day, you not invincible and its not impossible to take out the heli as Den is making it out to be :)

Den, come dude, fly with me, you know you love it...i dare any1 here to say chopper flying is easy...cause im keen to hear why you think so...baring in mind, you've actually flown the dam thing too! :D
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didnt you fly into a bridge when i was your gunner once :wtf:
 
Use soflam if you are infantry.

Unfortunately it is not a one man show to take down a chopper.

How about increasing the chopper respawn? That would make it a lot more balanced!

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weakest_link said:
didnt you fly into a bridge when i was your gunner once :wtf:
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probably did yes, many a time, nor will it be the last, fly so close to objects, but you need to do that, often i hit a pole and go down in a blaze of glory, point for is "keep moving" else ur dead, i fly low to avoid jets as they are the biggest threat IMO, AA not so much if you flank it, which can be done by yes you guessed it, flying low, VERY low.....
 
weakest_link said:
yip then he was like "WTF" ... like the bridge just appeared there LOL :p
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i believe i was not low enough in that case, hence clipping the bridge

and for those of you who didnt know

Havok: less manoeuvrable, but takes more damage

Viper: Very manoeuvrable, much weaker

i like the contrast of the two....
 
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People tell me i can't fly when i hit stuff... but it means that i can dodge getting killed by someone else and get a few kills then why not. I fly too low sometimes and become a target for infantry guns :/

i consider myself a mediocre pilot though... i don't seem to get a lot of pilot chopper kills. But usually stay alive long enough for my gunner to get 5/6 if i am not pole dancing :D

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I am not bad at flying the choppers, the jets not so much.

I am going to get myself a Flight stick, I think that will be epic!

Anyone use one?
 
DarthSWNT said:
People tell me i can't fly when i hit stuff... but it means that i can dodge getting killed by someone else and get a few kills then why not. I fly too low sometimes and become a target for infantry guns :/

i consider myself a mediocre pilot though... i don't seem to get a lot of pilot chopper kills. But usually stay alive long enough for my gunner to get 5/6 if i am not pole dancing :D

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Darth i have met you more than once in the air, chopper vs chopper fight, i dont consider you to be bad at all dude, i remember even gunning, you and Tooks are the only ppl i gun with, you shud be impressed i trust you so much :D
 
OGBuzz said:
Darth i have met you more than once in the air, chopper vs chopper fight, i dont consider you to be bad at all dude, i remember even gunning, you and Tooks are the only ppl i gun with, you shud be impressed i trust you so much :D
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Haha. Aww shucks i am honoured.

I think i just get annoyed with rubbish gunners... i even spot for some people, aim directly at a whole squad and then nothing. Maybe get one of them with my rockets :/

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