Borderlands 2 dumbs-down for girls

[Wlad]

Not going to go into the whole "is this sexist or not" thing, I honestly don't have the patience for an argument or whatever. Let's just leave it at I pretty much agree with everything Monk said.

I actually can't wait to play with this class. They had me at Mechromancer and now they're telling me my bullets can ricochet of walls and hit enemies? Hell yeah, can't wait!

 

[MOnk]

Yeah she does look quite interesting, sort of an extension of BL1's hunter class with the raven but way cooler and more in tune with the world of Pandora. Definitely preordering for her.

 

[Graal]

Okay, seeing as we can get 'get out of jail free' cards, I'm also going to pull that card. I don't have the patience for long-winded internet arguments, but let's just leave it at I disagree with everything Monk said. I think he misses the entire point and is nothing but an apologist.

 

[Azimuth]

To me you are the one being sexist. I have never once referred to your gender because it makes no difference to me, I would be having the same argument if it were Graal or Fenix taking your stance. Yet you keep referring to my gender and telling me that my opinion on the issue means nothing because I'm a man. Even your reference to mansplaining is sexist.

No, I'm saying that your opinion about women is always going to be from the perspective of a man. It's not that it means nothing, but that it's necessarily limited, and that it's something you should be very aware of when dismissing allegations of sexism. You're not the target, after all.

To call out something as mansplaining, however, is not sexist. Mansplaining is something you'll see EVERY SINGLE TIME a subject like this comes up, and it definitely applies to some of your own comments. Be offended if you want, but I'd suggest rather doing some reading on the subject instead.

The same thing applies if, as a white person, I talk about racism. It's immensely difficult to do so meaningfully, because my own perspective is similarly limited.

I am not having a discussion with 'women', my discussion is with you and the people in this thread. I am not the spokesperson for the male gender and you are not the spokesperson for the female gender.

But I am a woman, and in the context of entrenched sexism against women - in an industry currently subject to debate and serious criticism on the matter - perhaps it's worth considering that what I have to say about it is important.

I am not telling women how to feel about a topic, I am saying that in my opinion the issues you have brought up in this article are petty and belittling to the plight of women.

If you think 'girlfriend mode' is on the same level as female genital mutilation, spousal abuse, sexual health issues or job equality then I guess I should just quit trying to apply logic, because you know I'm a man and can't possibly understand these things.

Except I'm not comparing this to those things you mentioned. Also, just because sexism in the gaming industry isn't as serious as female genital mutilation does not mean that sexism in the gaming industry gets a free pass. I'm not in a position to do much to help little girls in North Africa, but I can stand up and say something about sexism in the industry I'm working in.

 

[MOnk]

Mansplaining is something you'll see EVERY SINGLE TIME a subject like this comes up, and it definitely applies to some of your own comments.

So I have a contrary opinion to yours therefore I'm guilty of doing the following according to your mansplaining comment;

• patronizing
• put women down in response to criticism.
• make statements that are not based on facts, assuming that people will believe and agree with him because he is male.
• condescending, inaccurate explanations delivered with rock solid confidence of rightness
• overly condescending

Ok so you're not being sexist when you say I'm mansplsaining you're just being patronizing and overly condescending. As for considering what you have to say, I did, I considered your opinion, formed my own and then expressed such. Then it became a "men" argument.

@Graal: coward "whistling:

I have no issue with contrary views, just don't say they are stupid because I'm a dude.

 

[Graal]

This is pretty much what the MyGaming forums have been boiling down to lately.

So forgive me if I don't want to get involved in any arguments anymore. I'm tired of always spending hours arguing with the same people over and over and over.

 

[MOnk]

You say arguing I say discussion.

I get it though, it's kinda draining and often futile but at the same time something you just have to say something. I also always feel like a toss in these discussions because the one person I'm arguing against is also the one woman in the thread.

I guess there is always the 'smile and wave' approach', seems to work for most people.

 

[Necuno]