Bulldozer is the future.

X-Gamer said:
That link on page one is dead.

Bulldozer is kak, I'll just stick with my lil Phenom X6 1055 for the next year or so, thank you. Hopefully Piledriver with 8-cores (16 in bulldozer/marketing terms) will be released, as there is no Real World advantage that BD has over phenom X6.
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Just the fact that you state such baseless claims says a lot to me. BD is incredibly effective when dealing with large multi threaded applications. It might not be a gaming monster but in the business world its actually pretty damn staunch. I own both a 1055T and a 1090T and they are awesome and I am getting a FX8170 as soon as it is released.

WHY? Because I work on my pc and game on my pc at the same time, and as silly as that sounds, I usually have steam/skyrim/mw3 running while working, usually running downloads in the background, changing windows every now and then, so it makes sense for me to get a BD cpu, as I do Multi task quite a lot.

Yes I own a couple of Sandybridge rigs and there is no denying they are awesome.
Oh and quick mention BD destroys Sandy Bridge in BF3 :p
 
The Joker said:
Just the fact that you state such baseless claims says a lot to me. BD is incredibly effective when dealing with large multi threaded applications. It might not be a gaming monster but in the business world its actually pretty damn staunch. I own both a 1055T and a 1090T and they are awesome and I am getting a FX8170 as soon as it is released.

WHY? Because I work on my pc and game on my pc at the same time, and as silly as that sounds, I usually have steam/skyrim/mw3 running while working, usually running downloads in the background, changing windows every now and then, so it makes sense for me to get a BD cpu, as I do Multi task quite a lot.

Yes I own a couple of Sandybridge rigs and there is no denying they are awesome.
Oh and quick mention BD destroys Sandy Bridge in BF3 :p
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Skyrim destroys BF3 *erm*
 
X-Gamer said:
That link on page one is dead.

Bulldozer is kak, I'll just stick with my lil Phenom X6 1055 for the next year or so, thank you. Hopefully Piledriver with 8-cores (16 in bulldozer/marketing terms) will be released, as there is no Real World advantage that BD has over phenom X6.
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Agreed. Even the server benchmarks I've seen are not favourable to BD. There is just no reason to buy it at all - its not even good for servers, it has practically 0 reason to exist!

Got my 1055T on Friday - didnt even look at Bulldozer CPUs. Why would I pay more for something slower?
 
bull

The fact that you said it has 0 reason to exist is poor bullshit, this BD may not have a super advantage in gaming but as said by Joker, its AWSOME for multitasking, some people don't game but use 10 hungry apps at once :P
 
In heavily multithreaded scenarios, it beats Phenom II, but is still beaten by Sandy Bridge. Quite embarrassing.

The problem with BD is that each of its cores is slower than a Phenom II core and slower than a Sandy Bridge core (considerably slower). In fact, it is so much slower than Sandy Bridge, that a 4 core 8 thread SB often beats an 8 core BD. That should be embarrasing.

Doesnt matter how many cores you have if they all suck.

And how many of us actually NEED that many threads flying at once? How many of us would actually notice the difference in real world use? And it has nothing to do with multitasking, unless you render a 3d scene at the same time as you want to compile a massive project. Even then, a fast SSD will do more for you than whether you have a quad core or octo core CPU. These CPUs are not made for "power users", they are made for servers and workstations. If you dont have one of those, then dont waste your time, and even if you do, consider SB because its just a better CPU.

Sorry I know a lot of people dont want to believe that AMD could possibly have made a bad chip, but they did. I'm running a Phenom II 1055T, before that I had an Athlon II 620, before that I had an X2 5600+, before that I had an Athlon XP 2400+, before that I had an Athlon K7 700. But this time, its time to admit that AMD stuffed up, badly.
 
To each their own, I am getting a FX8170 and I will be keeping both my 1055T and my 1090T.
I've always supported AMD and I will continue to do so for as long as they are around. I am in the financial position to do that and I believe that support for AMD is needed, if they decided to drop out of the cpu race with intel, expect to pay a heck of a lot more for future cpu's. At least AMD are ahead with the graphics race at the moment and I reckon with the 7xxx series right around the corner I think they will extend that lead.

Its quite simple, if you're a gamer or a workaholic any of the FX series cpu's will be perfect for you, its only the benchmarking crowd that won't be happy with results but you won't be able to notice any difference in any games or any workload you throw at it.

The only thing that's slightly crappy is the price of the cpu's, seeing as SA is on the ass end of the world we are paying way to much for all our hardware.
 
The Win 8 developer versions effectively have the problem "fixed"...it appears to be good for about 10% gain...but only in the affected areas.

Personally I'm unconvinced because BD's advantage, as far as I can tell, lies in heavy multi-threading which is simply not used in desktops aside from a very few niche applications (ray tracing, transcoding videos etc).

The Joker said:
I believe that support for AMD is needed, if they decided to drop out of the cpu race with intel,
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I think you're a bit too late with the support. AMD is effectively dropping out of the CPU race, though they covered it in a bunch of marketing speak.

AMD is a leader in x86 microprocessor design, and we remain committed to the x86 market. Our strategy is to accelerate our growth by taking advantage of our design capabilities to deliver a breadth of products that best align with broader industry shifts toward low power, emerging markets and the cloud.
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The part I can't work out is WTF AMD was thinking: They knew the Windows scheduler works that way. There is no way a chip maker doesn't. Effectively they are making chips that assume a feature in the OS that simply isn't there. Why didn't the approach MS when they started designing it that way to make sure the feature being relied on is there when the processor hits the shelves? The only remotely plausible explanation is that they thought it would be sufficient to beat the competition despite being crippled.

expect to pay a heck of a lot more for future cpu's.
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Yep. Its gonna suck.:(

The Joker said:
I've always supported AMD and I will continue to do so for as long as they are around. I am in the financial position to do that and
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If you want it & can afford it then go for it. Ultimately it matters little...worst case scenario is you buy a chip that is slightly worse than the alternative. Not the end of the world.
 
sub par performance or no i'll still be getting a bd cpu, now more than ever seeing as AMD will be discontinuing Phenom and Athlon cpu's on the AM socket range

Athlon will still be around but only on the new FM sockets used by their APU range

Source in German on the discontinuation (http://news.ati-forum.de/index.php/...hlon-ii-prozessoren-mit-45nm-wird-eingestellt)

plus the performance might see a bit of a hike as AMD has said they are working on releasing a shedular update for Win 7 that will use BD more how it should be used

also amd should rather fire their PR and Marketing teams...

http://www.techpowerup.com/156123/A...illion-LESS-Transistors-Than-It-Thought-.html

i mean really wtf!?
 
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HavocXphere said:
The Win 8 developer versions effectively have the problem "fixed"...it appears to be good for about 10% gain...but only in the affected areas.

Personally I'm unconvinced because BD's advantage, as far as I can tell, lies in heavy multi-threading which is simply not used in desktops aside from a very few niche applications (ray tracing, transcoding videos etc).


I think you're a bit too late with the support. AMD is effectively dropping out of the CPU race, though they covered it in a bunch of marketing speak.



The part I can't work out is WTF AMD was thinking: They knew the Windows scheduler works that way. There is no way a chip maker doesn't. Effectively they are making chips that assume a feature in the OS that simply isn't there. Why didn't the approach MS when they started designing it that way to make sure the feature being relied on is there when the processor hits the shelves? The only remotely plausible explanation is that they thought it would be sufficient to beat the competition despite being crippled.


Yep. Its gonna suck.:(


If you want it & can afford it then go for it. Ultimately it matters little...worst case scenario is you buy a chip that is slightly worse than the alternative. Not the end of the world.
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They have not officially pulled out of it, all just rumors.
Anyway Im getting my BD and that's an end of it.
 
I think reports of AMD not competing against Intel are over exaggerated - they havent said much about it. I doubt they will give up x86 though.

I agree that the demise of AMD would mean bad things for the x86 CPU market, but I'm tired of supporting the losing team. They havent hit a home run since the Athlon 64, and Bulldozer should never have been released. Well not for the desktop anyway - it just doesnt make sense there.

Anyway, the thing is that for many years, Intel's abuse of its monopoly severely limited AMD's ability to compete. Now Intel doesnt do that anymore, AMD got over a billion dollars in cash, and they still cant design a CPU that can compete with Sandy Bridge in single threaded performance. For the desktop and gaming market, that is still the most important thing.

The thing is, I dont think its right to prop up AMD in a capitalist system. Look at the bank bailout and American airline industry bailout - both things that should not have happened. If a company fails, it should be allowed to fail. AMD would probably be acquired by Samsung anyway. Believe it or not, allowing that to happen would probably be better for us in the long run, than artificially trying to influence the market.

I dont believe AMD deserves to go under just yet - their Phenoms and Athlons are still competitive in the desktop market thanks to their price, and their Fusion CPUs very competitive in the mobile market. But BD is kind of worrying because they spent so long working on it, and so long hyping it up, and its a complete dud.
 
Not quite a complete dud. There is a future for it. But some myopia is necessary to teach that goal.

The chip did what the p4 did back in the day. It lengthened the pipe which increased latency and limited clockspeed.

That coupled with global foundries being rubbish lead to this chip.

It is not a complete mess though, and is better than other chips in some areas.

At least AMD tried something new. Something to build from, like hyperthreading (which initially was not a success), and make AMD's i7.

Price is a huge factor. And they cannot possibly price this with sandy bridges

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The Joker said:
They have not officially pulled out of it, all just rumors.
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I don't think they'll pull out completely. Its more a case of conceding the high end market.

The Joker said:
Anyway Im getting my BD and that's an end of it.
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I'm jealous. :o

DarthSWNT said:
There is a future for it.
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Yep, but that future doesn't include successfully competing against Intel high end chips. Next BD gen is set to hit in 2014...2 years after Ivy Bridge.

Right now I'm really hoping ARM gains ground. The x86 architecture is full of ancient crap that we don't need...but has to be there to be x86 compliant. ARM doesn't have that.
 
Isnt PileDriver coming out next year?

With the massive increase in pipeline length and decrease of the number of execution units, it was doomed from the start. I like the idea of sharing execution resources, I think the problems are that:
1. Lengthening the pipeline did not work for Prescott - AMD evidently didnt learn from that.
2. Sharing resources would be great if there were as many or more resources as the Phenom II had. There are less resources, thats the problem.

If AMD had given each core 256kb of level 2 cache with decent latency as opposed to 2MB per module with terrible latency, that would also have helped.
 
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Well they need to make money and they arent killing it. So maybe a better funded project is the future.

All I know is that there is space in the market and if it isnt filled, intel are going to end up doing bad things.

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I've stopped bothering with this lol
I am still getting my FX8170, whenever they decide to launch it.
What I can tell you is that BD is selling fast...which is odd considering the benches are nothing to write home about.
I'm glad its selling well though..they need to learn from their mistakes now and make sure their future products are competitive.

At least the 7xxx Gpu's are launching the 22nd of this month and they should yield some insane sales figures if the leaked specs are anything to go buy...and yes you guessed it I am getting 2x 7970's as soon as they are available :D

So if anyone is keen on 2x XFX 6970's drop me a pm lol
 
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