DayZ Discussion Thread.

If it wasn't for the fact that the server belongs to NAG, I would have gone private a long time ago. I've actually been thinking of raising the issue with Geometrix, but I don't think he'll go for it.
 
Hackers are f*ckin' oraal! Can't they just go live in a deep, dark hole and die out.
I was looking forward to playing this mod! ... If I ever get the game and Mod.
 
Graal you should mention to the "whoever it is who you are dealing with"
That because of the hacking they are losing out on potential future revenue, if they don't care to fix the problem why would I care to buy the game and although the mod is free now, I don't doubt for one second that it'll be turned into a full on game on its own in the future.

I've stopped playing BF3 because of hacking, I wanted to buy Arma II ect to play this mod because it looked epic but its now joined the "Do not touch till developer gives a crap pile".
 
panthis said:
Private how?
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Setting up a private hive. More and more servers are going private because the hackers are having an absolute ball on the servers, and due to the restrictive rules placed on us by the devs, we can't do anything to stop them. Even banning them is technically a grey area, because the devs want solid, consistent proof that someone is hacking before we're allowed to ban them. I mean, how the hell do you get proof of hacking if the anti-cheat protection is so shitty that it doesn't even log when someone hacks, or even worse, the hackers can spoof user IDs so it looks like someone else is doing the hacking?

A private hive would allow me to not only make the server a lot more secure, but also run a lot more stable with a lot less desync, due to the fact that the server doesn't have to send any data to a remote Hive. The only problem is, Rocket doesn't condone private hives, and blacklists IPs that run them. If he ever changes his mod code so that it cannot be run in conjunction with a private hive, we'd lost the server entirely.
 
Graal said:
Setting up a private hive. More and more servers are going private because the hackers are having an absolute ball on the servers, and due to the restrictive rules placed on us by the devs, we can't do anything to stop them. Even banning them is technically a grey area, because the devs want solid, consistent proof that someone is hacking before we're allowed to ban them. I mean, how the hell do you get proof of hacking if the anti-cheat protection is so shitty that it doesn't even log when someone hacks, or even worse, the hackers can spoof user IDs so it looks like someone else is doing the hacking?

A private hive would allow me to not only make the server a lot more secure, but also run a lot more stable with a lot less desync, due to the fact that the server doesn't have to send any data to a remote Hive. The only problem is, Rocket doesn't condone private hives, and blacklists IPs that run them. If he ever changes his mod code so that it cannot be run in conjunction with a private hive, we'd lost the server entirely.
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Wow ok... private hive = pure awesome until the IP blacklisting part...

Ok Zoopy... i have a couple questions.
1. What hardware is needed for a private hive?
2. Where can i get a copy of the mission file from?
3. Any tips or pointers?

My reason for asking is because im going to try and set up a Lannable hive server to test with in my free time and eventually take it online once i have the lan working
 
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Meh... everything i'm reading here just gonna make me wait longer for FULL release before i buy this game. To many glitches and things people are complaining about.
 
The game itself, although in Alpha still, is unreal. For me, its the most immersive game I have ever played in the past 20 years of gaming. I find myself moving closer and closer to my screen every 10 minutes. Its intense and its brilliant. The learning curve is hard and the game hurts new players hard... But that adds to the appeal. Besides, the reward is always worth the journey.

Don't get attached to your gear - the golden rule of Day Z.

Hackers do suck pole, and they do wreck a good game experience, but I am still going to jam. I have been in about 3 incidents in the 3-4 weeks I have played. Getting teleported to Thunderdome is the only Alt-F4 excuse (glares at DC'ers...)
 
So I was playing on ZA1 this evening with 3 other friends and then all of sudden it turns pitch black with just the stars showing. A guy randomly "ports" inbetween us and start shooting. Then he was at a distance again after one of us were killed(I was lying on the ground with broken bones and bleeding).
It went quiet again and then another friend who just started playing said someone was shooting at him and the next moment I see someone shooting right in front of me, adjusted his aim three times with shots and then shot me(It was pitch black).

Stuff like this just ruins it for me... don't even feel like bothering to play anymore with random shit like this happening.
 
panthis said:
Wow ok... private hive = pure awesome until the IP blacklisting part...

Ok Zoopy... i have a couple questions.
1. What hardware is needed for a private hive?
2. Where can i get a copy of the mission file from?
3. Any tips or pointers?

My reason for asking is because im going to try and set up a Lannable hive server to test with in my free time and eventually take it online once i have the lan working
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Dedicated Quad core box.
2TB Bandwidth a month for a 50 player server.

What you two seem to be missing is - The Devs and Creator outlawed private hives, works the same as the GSP system. They control the stats etc. Setting up a private hive would not be a good idea. Especially if your server is hosted on a GSP Zoop. Once the game hits standalone, devs will have more control over hacking etc and hosting a private hive would go against their EULA and would probably be illegal.
 
Outside of locking private servers out of getting updates, there's nothing Rocket can do about private servers. He might not like it, but there's nothing technically wrong with it until his game goes standalone. He can't 'outlaw' private servers, because DayZ is a free mod. Private servers is basically nothing more than an edit of that mod.
 
And do you see him releasing his source code for the mod any time soon? Still his intellectual property and copyrighted by him. Editing it in any way would be wrong and illegal. Huge difference between Free and Open Source. He has already outlawed private servers and does not support them in any way. And no, private hives or servers would increase cheating and loot horders. Instead of focusing on sectioning off communities, rather try and help stop the hacking.

The screw you, I am going home argument does not work with hackers. And this is the same argument, pack up and section off so you can play without the hackers, but this only opens doors to many more issues.

There is a lot rocket can do about private servers but currently he is focusing on the mod/game itself first then to weed out the hacking problem. The standalone will fix this as he will have access to new code to stop scripting etc.
 
Rocket CANNOT outlaw private servers, because he has no rights over DayZ, the mod. He cannot trademark anything in the mod, except maybe for the name, because none of the mod's assets belongs to him. All the assets belong to BIS and comes from their game, ArmA 2. So, once again, unless BIS takes a stance against private servers, private servers are not illegal.

And no, private hives or servers would increase cheating and loot horders.
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Ironic that you say that, seeing as most people go to private servers for the sole reason that their admins are able to better administrate them and keep hackers out.

Instead of focusing on sectioning off communities, rather try and help stop the hacking.
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Like what? Have you noticed how pissed off the server hosting community has become lately, all because we have no power over our servers and basically can't do anything against hackers? I'm all for helping out against the hacking, but that's impossible. They expect us to show log proof every time we ban a hacker? How the hell are we supposed to do that if the hackers are bypassing BattlEye and therefore not showing up in the logs?

Maybe if the DayZ devs didn't hogtie server hosts like they do with their anal ruleset, admins wouldn't be looking at hosting private servers. As it stands now, there is no faith in server hosts from the dev side, and it's starting to grate on server owners. There's actually a movement being started to black out DayZ servers for a day just to get devs to rethink whether they want to continue treating server hosts like irresponsible children.

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/62694-server-blackout/
 
You are also aware that nothing in the mod files is changed for private servers, right? The files stay the exact same, with the only thing changing is that they don't run on Rocket's own public Hive. They run on a separate Hive.
 
I was typing a very sarcastic reply when I realized once again that there is no point to even bother. Anything I would point out would be countered with another "expert" opinion on the subject. Do what you want Zoop. Private server it up and see how long your morals hold out. Even if I am wrong about it being illegal now, it will be when it goes standalone and you pay for it. Then the free argument just vanishes into thin air.

No matter how you try and swing it. The devs don't want you to play private servers, they don't condone it. Sure it is a mod and sure my argument might not completely apply to it just yet. But give it a few months then. And all you will do is blacklist yourself from hosting the standalone if you pull this kind of shit now.

On a lighter note:
 
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Spartan, really now. You're angry because I pretty much debunked your entire argument?

Also, please, for the love of god, learn to read.

Graal said:
He might not like it, but there's nothing technically wrong with it until his game goes standalone.
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Meaning, private servers aren't illegal until his game goes standalone, after which he will own the rights to the standalone game.

You are also aware that Rocket condones private servers to some extent and mentioned that it's something they need to give thought to in the future, right?

"... recommend at the moment to do private servers for the live streams. And that actually brings up a good issue because a lot of people have been asking for the ability to create private servers or separate hives and things like that. And I think that's something we need to seriously think about as well going forward, um... you know I wanted to keep it like it is at the moment to get the message out there, to say: "This is a multiplayer game!", to the people we could use for financing and things like that. If they saw that the idea could be taken as a single-player game then they would have gone for that. So what we've done here is we've, you know the gamers have spoken and said "we wanna see more of this", so... we don't have to worry about that so much. So I think that we can probably come to some solution here and in the short term that would help with the hacking".
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So please, don't throw hissy fits and storm off when you don't really know what you're talking about. It makes you look childish.
 
Angry? No mate, you misunderstand. There is no emotion attached to any of my posts whatsoever. I was sharing my opinion on private servers. If you feel that you have debunked my argument then congrats. This was not a competition.

Please do not question my intelligence by telling me to learn to read. I read and write the engrish very well. There is no need to get personal.

My opinion conflicts with yours, that is all. If you wanted it to be a fight of wits or who is wrong and who is right then BOTH of us lost. Most of it based on speculation. Your argument has valid points, especially about the short leash hosters are kept on. The extreme proof element I do not agree with. Admins or Owners of a server should be, by right, be free to ban and punish hackers. I also agree with the fact that admins should be allowed to password servers to keep hackers out. But circumventing the dev's outlines won't solve anything.

What I do not agree with is the steps you want to take to get out from under the devs and their rule. Realize that you can't, ever, escape those rules. No matter how hard you try or how many boycotts or blackouts are organized devs will do it their way. They are making it, they make the rules. I have been part of GSP hosting for a long time now, I know the rules that get passed on to us, to owners and renters. Some are 100% fine, others are not well received at all. If you go against those rules in any way you are going down a terrible street and when the day comes to host a servers for *insert game here* you will be overlooked or sidelined.

My suggestion is to not go private with your NAG server, if you want to though, go for it no one can stop you. Never said I could. My posts contain warnings and points to help. If you know better and I am wrong then so be it.

And dude, the only hissy fits I throw is when I go to the fridge and someone ate my last puddin cup. Other than that you can forget about it.
 
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