E3 2012, a show about PC gaming.

MOnk

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Did you know that nearly every multiplatform game demoed at E3 – especially during press conferences – is running on PC? I’ve asked, and so far, I’ve yet to get a “no.” Watch Dogs, Splinter Cell: Blacklist, Far Cry 3, Metro: Last Light, Medal of Honor, Battlefield, Crysis 3, etc, etc. Here’s the weird thing, though: no one talks about it. Presenters mainly brandish Xbox pads as their weapons of choice, and viewers – unless gifted with Thundercats-esque sight beyond sight – are none the wiser.
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I find it rather amusing that a show dedicated to console gaming has instead shone a giant beacon for the PC. I enjoy console gaming myself but people are often diluted about the actual differences between the platforms and try to claim that they are 'basically the same'. If that were the case then they wouldn't have demoed their games on PC in the first place. The worst part is people look at these videos and then immediately jump up and proclaim that consoles still have the juice but they don't.

I guess I'm just a little annoyed that they try and trick people into thinking that this is how their games will look on your 360/PS3.
 
MOnk said:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/06/07/pc-gaming-e3s-dirty-little-secret/


I find it rather amusing that a show dedicated to console gaming has instead shone a giant beacon for the PC. I enjoy console gaming myself but people are often diluted about the actual differences between the platforms and try to claim that they are 'basically the same'. If that were the case then they wouldn't have demoed their games on PC in the first place. The worst part is people look at these videos and then immediately jump up and proclaim that consoles still have the juice but they don't.

I guess I'm just a little annoyed that they try and trick people into thinking that this is how their games will look on your 360/PS3.
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In what distant corner of the multiverse is E3 a show dedicated to Console gaming? E3 = Electronic Entertainment Expo is a is an annual trade fair for the computer and video games industry presented by the Entertainment Software Association (ESA). It is used by many video game developers to show off their upcoming games and game-related hardware.

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Maybe PC people feel its about console, to me E3 has always about Games and Gaming. What platform its shown on has little effect on me.
 
More than anything I think it just highlights how much the current generation of consoles are behind the curve in terms of power. We are pretty much guaranteed a showcase of the new Xbox and Playstation this time next year.
 
In what distant corner of the multiverse is E3 a show dedicated to Console gaming?
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In the one we occupy? E3 has always been mostly focused on console gaming and that has become even more true in recent years. Just look at who and what is presented. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo showing off their consoles, EA and Ubisoft showing off their multiplatform games, with no particular word on PC availability. Always with the focus on AAA retail titles.

Please point me to the nvidia, Razer, Paradox, Riot, CD Project, Blizzard, Mojang, Airtight or Valve presentations. Valve's participation is probably the best example of this since the one and only thing they showed off was the Portal 2 DLC for PS3 which includes move support.

Sure E3 may not be dedicated to console gaming but it's pretty damn close. If you want more PC and gamer friendly shows then you check out stuff like PAX, DICE, Gamescom, etc.
 
MOnk said:
In the one we occupy? E3 has always been mostly focused on console gaming and that has become even more true in recent years. Just look at who and what is presented. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo showing off their consoles, EA and Ubisoft showing off their multiplatform games, with no particular word on PC availability. Always with the focus on AAA retail titles.

Please point me to the nvidia, Razer, Paradox, Riot, CD Project, Blizzard, Mojang, Airtight or Valve presentations. Valve's participation is probably the best example of this since the one and only thing they showed off was the Portal 2 DLC for PS3 which includes move support.

Sure E3 may not be dedicated to console gaming but it's pretty damn close. If you want more PC and gamer friendly shows then you check out stuff like PAX, DICE, Gamescom, etc.
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Its all about the Money. AAA title bring in the big bucks, Sony, MS & Nintendo rely on the sales of their systems & games for their systems to bring in the big bucks.

Like I said, I make no distinction on what platform the game is played. I want to see the newest, best and most revolutionary games across the board, whether it runs Console or some as yet to be invented super computer makes little to no impact on me. I simply find it stupid for this Console vs PC wedge to be forced in everywhere. Its like people want to keep dredging up those old debates arguing about something which, for me anyways, is a moot fact.
 
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Like I said, I make no distinction on what platform the game is played. I want to see the newest, best and most revolutionary games across the board, whether it runs Console or some as yet to be invented super computer makes little to no impact on me. I simply find it stupid for this Console vs PC wedge to be forced in everywhere. Its like people want to keep dredging up those old debates arguing about something which, for me anyways, is a moot fact.
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I don't care about platform I care about games and technology but when platforms get in the way of innovation then I am forced to care. Whether you acknowledge it or not having 80% of your industry focusing development on 10 year old hardware hurts progress in a big way. This isn't an old 'my platform is better' debate and referring to it as such is condescending. I would have been happy if they revealed those games were actually running on next gen system because that would mean progress and further opportunities for new gameplay experiences.

They also implicitly acknowledge their games potential for higher fidelity but then subsequently shun or marginalize the platform that can deliver it. I also don't see why as a console gamer you wouldn't be upset that someone would purposely misrepresent their games visuals on your system. I know I would be upset if someone showed me this awesome looking PC game then when I bought it found I could only run it with every turned off because you needed like a quad sli setup to get what you originally saw.
 
MOnk said:
I don't care about platform I care about games and technology but when platforms get in the way of innovation then I am forced to care. Whether you acknowledge it or not having 80% of your industry focusing development on 10 year old hardware hurts progress in a big way. This isn't an old 'my platform is better' debate and referring to it as such is condescending. I would have been happy if they revealed those games were actually running on next gen system because that would mean progress and further opportunities for new gameplay experiences.

They also implicitly acknowledge their games potential for higher fidelity but then subsequently shun or marginalize the platform that can deliver it. I also don't see why as a console gamer you wouldn't be upset that someone would purposely misrepresent their games visuals on your system. I know I would be upset if someone showed me this awesome looking PC game then when I bought it found I could only run it with every turned off because you needed like a quad sli setup to get what you originally saw.
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How is there not innovation? Last of Us, Watch Dogs, Beyond: Two Souls, Tomb Raider, Dust 514, Hitman Absolution, Splinter Cell Blacklist all so innovation in gameplay & story telling. Watch Dogs looks like a very fresh idea.

Why am I not upset? Because I dont need a game to have shiny graphics to enjoy it the ONLY thing that matter to me is the gameplay and ingame mechanics. I also dont consider impressive visuals "innovation", which is why SW1313 isn't not on my radar, the little bit of gameplay I saw looked like every other 3rd person cover based game out there. Example:

This is a screen from Dragon's Dogma
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Visually it is SHIT, Im talking early xbox 360 life cycle visuals. Think Oblivion. But I love it too pieces because it has some of the most interesting combat mechanics and systems this side of Demon's Souls & Dark Souls. But the masses dont think like I do, if the game isn't visually impressive and has little or no WOW (Not World of Warcraft) factor it is often overlooked, or the legion dont take interest, investors see title Y performed poorly at E3 and project disappears into dev hell.
 
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Monk here. Last year I might not have, but the fact that there has been no mention of impending next-gen consoles at E3 worries me.

A game can be good without having amazing graphics, but graphics DO add to the game in the end. I don't want t pay R700 for a title just to have a PC gamer come along and pay R350 for it, then on top of that play it on a much higher detail setting on his 5 year old PC.

Technology is moving faster than ever. It's high times consoles did some catching up.

This elitist fad that only braindead morons care about graphics needs to end. Consoles are pretty far outdated, and that's a fact.
 
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Graal said:
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Monk here. Last year I might not have, but the fact that there has been no mention of impending next-gen consoles at E3 worries me.

A game can be good without having amazing graphics, but graphics DO add to the game in the end. I don't want t pay R700 for a title just to have a PC gamer come along and pay R350 for it, then on top of that play it on a much higher detail setting on his 5 year old PC.

Technology is moving faster than ever. It's high times consoles did some catching up.

This elitist fad that only braindead morons care about graphics needs to end.
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Sony have said they aren't yet thinking of the next Playstation and Microsoft has been pretty quiet. But Im not really that worried. Some of the best looking PS2 & Xbox era games came towards the end of the life cycle.

As for consoles losing the edge, its coming but its not here yet.

Everyone remembers the Kara tech Demo Quatic Dream did some time ago, that was rendered in real time on a PS3, not on a PC, this shows that there is still more to be squeezed out of current gen consoles.

A Powerful PC will always be able to run games at better visual quality than their console counter parts but the difference, to me anyway, is negligible at best. Also no stupid DRM getting in the way of enjoying my game. That alone if worth that extra few £.

I suspect MS might announce the next Xbox at next years E3 with it launching a year or so after that.
 
Playing on a PC with an XBox Controller with vibration and being able to buy games at half the price is still the best experience.

The console can kiss my ass, just give me it's controller.
 
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Sure, consoles can probably go on for a while yet, but they're still struggling to do things that PCs have been able to do for years already. They've pretty much reached their potential.

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That's why I'm waiting for the next-gen consoles to hit before I buy one.
 
How they told us Crysis would look:

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How Crysis really looked on most machines at launch:

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As for console vs PC visuals:

Crysis 2 PC vs Xbox:

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Is there a difference? Sure. Is is big enough to really give 2 fucks about? Nope. (again not to me really)
 
I dunno those PC screenshots look like they are on low or something. I took this one like 5 mins ago. I still think Crysis 1 looks better than Crysis 2.

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Anyway, I love my PS3 for the exclusives not its graphics, but current gen has fallen drastically behind the curve and I'm ready to see what's in store for the future tech.
 
First two pics hotlinklol.

Also, Crysis 2 might not be the best example, seeing as many consider its graphics a definite step back from Crysis 1.

Anyway, sure, you can say the differences are negligible. To many people, maybe they are. But the rift between consoles and PCs is fast busy widening, and people are starting to take note. For many people, graphics do make a difference, and I don't blame those people. I'd also much rather look at something that is more aesthetically pleasing than be content with something that looks dated simply because it's the only thing my console can handle. Ancient hardware can only carry something that far before people start complaining about it. I had a PC with similar specs to a 360 four years ago. I want to be able to keep up with the times, not be stuck far behind current tech.

Edit: Also, that second pic of yours of 'how it actually looked' is misleading. Very few people had to play it on graphics like that, unless they had waaaay outdated PCs. I was piss-poor, still in high school, with a shitty system, and mine looked a lot better than that.
 
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Played Crysis 2 last week (with controller) on PC and it was rather good, the visuals and effects was also quite brilliant, Textures was also ok, apart from the "gore" looking fake (but I blame germany for that). Thing is Crysis2 wouldn't of looked nearly that good in motion if I had an Xbox360 connected to my PC screen. I just get better Graphics (and higher framerate) and thus a better experience playing with Gamepad + PC compared to Xbox360 + gamepad.

I'd rather play a console port that has great graphics and the same gamepad support then a game that "tried" to adapt to keyboard and mouse.

I just like the force feedback on gamepads when it comes to singleplayer games. The added "challenge" is also a bonus for me. What exactly is the difference between next gen console and "Gamepad + PC" anyways?
 
hideinlight said:
Played Crysis 2 last week (with controller) on PC and it was rather good, the visuals and effects was also quite brilliant, Textures was also ok, apart from the "gore" looking fake (but I blame germany for that). Thing is Crysis2 wouldn't of looked nearly that good in motion if I had an Xbox360 connected to my PC screen. I just get better Graphics (and higher framerate) and thus a better experience playing with Gamepad + PC compared to Xbox360 + gamepad.

I'd rather play a console port that has great graphics and the same gamepad support then a game that "tried" to adapt to keyboard and mouse.

I just like the force feedback on gamepads when it comes to singleplayer games. The added "challenge" is also a bonus for me. What exactly is the difference between next gen console and "Gamepad + PC" anyways?
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The reason I notice the distinct difference between my PS3 and my PC is because I'm running them both off the same screen. I find I have to sit back away from my screen to minimise the effect of the very low resolution most PS3 games put out.

Don't get me wrong, games like God of War 3 and Uncharted look fantastic, but it's hard to miss the low resolution and jagged lines when you where just playing Max Payne 3 on your PC.

Anyway, I just want to play Watch Dogs. :D
 
Current gen consoles are at now beyond pushed.
The PS3 can not handle a heck of a lot more, the x360 maybe a little bit.
I think consoles are capped at 30fps, they also run pretty close to low settings and they are now straining to run new titles.

I actually got a client who called me off a Gumtree add, asking how I could price a pc for R15 000 when his R3000 console played games just as well..I laughed and invited him over..I fired up my beast (3770k, Asus Z77, 16GB DDRIII 2133, Evga Gtx690)
I showed him Batman ac, BF3 and Crysis 2 with the DX11 patch...He was so shocked he didn't speak at all while jamming Crysis 2..lol

In the end he got a 12k gaming rig from me and only uses his X360 now to play gears xD

Console gaming is where the money is at though, so that's why E3 is now pretty much a console driven show.
 
Epic sale! ;)

I love technology and I read about games, their tech and the way they are designed more than I play them. I enjoy reading about new ambient occlusion techniques, more realistic shadow generation, better physics modelling and all that stuff. So yeah it bums me out when developers aren't pursuing those techniques because they know it just wont run on a console, if that means I care about 'visuals' then so be it.
 
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