Ellen Page's moving speech at the Time to Thrive Conference

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From a peanut-gallery perspective: I don't understand how people's minds work any more. Just because you don't agree with someone's lifestyle or life choices, it somehow MUST mean that you are either a racist, sexist or homophobe. Personally, I do not agree with someone's choice to be gay/lesbian. But that is my personal view and I'm also entitled to it WITHOUT fear of being labelled.

What do you guys think about that?

Honestly, I think you are a troll. I'm going to feed you because I can't resist. Also because of the fact that you are clearly baiting people.

You have the right to your own opinions. It's not illegal to be a bigot. However, you have to understand that if you want to express bigoted opinions, then sadly you have to live with being labelled as a bigot.
 
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From a peanut-gallery perspective: I don't understand how people's minds work any more. Just because you don't agree with someone's lifestyle or life choices, it somehow MUST mean that you are either a racist, sexist or homophobe. Personally, I do not agree with someone's choice to be gay/lesbian. But that is my personal view and I'm also entitled to it WITHOUT fear of being labelled.

What do you guys think about that?

I think you are woefully misguided to suggest that it's a choice.
 
From a peanut-gallery perspective: I don't understand how people's minds work any more. Just because you don't agree with someone's lifestyle or life choices, it somehow MUST mean that you are either a racist, sexist or homophobe. Personally, I do not agree with someone's choice to be gay/lesbian. But that is my personal view and I'm also entitled to it WITHOUT fear of being labelled.

What do you guys think about that?

Well, if you had any experience with LGBT people you would know it is not a choice, and that is why it bothers us that you do not agree with "our choice". I am gay. I've neglected to mention it so far, as I had no reasons to, but yes, see this as my coming out on MyG. I do not judge you or label you for not agreeing with my lifestyle. But answer me this: why would anyone "choose" to be gay? Do you think we enjoy being "labelled", stereotyped or told that we "chose" it? If I could choose to be straight right now, I would. But then I would be unhappy. I'd like to be happy, so the only "choice" I have made, is to accept who I am and no longer fight it.
 
From a peanut-gallery perspective: I don't understand how people's minds work any more. Just because you don't agree with someone's lifestyle or life choices, it somehow MUST mean that you are either a racist, sexist or homophobe. Personally, I do not agree with someone's choice to be gay/lesbian. But that is my personal view and I'm also entitled to it WITHOUT fear of being labelled.

What do you guys think about that?

Hint: It's not a choice.

That's why you're a homophobe. You're 'not agreeing' with something someone cannot change. It's essentially the exact same as saying you're not racist, but you don't agree with someone's choice to be black.
 
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I think Neo just said that we shouldn't be mean to people who are mean to other people. That the gist of it?
There's a reason the rep button on his ID is red.
 
I think Neo just said that we shouldn't be mean to people who are mean to other people. That the gist of it?
There's a reason the rep button on his ID is red.

Heh, yeah. It's the same old "be tolerant to the intolerant" line that homophobes have been parroting for decades.

Edit: I love how the forum thanks me for deducting rep from Neo. :p
 
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I think Panti Bliss says it best - it's a bit of a long watch, but she really hits the spot in a poignant way.

07:20 is pretty on the dot.


If you'd rather not watch, here are the important bits (emphasis added).

For the last three weeks, I have been lectured to by heterosexual people about what homophobia is, and about who is allowed to identify it. Straight people have lined up - ministers, senators, barristers, journalists - have lined up to tell me what homophobia is, and to tell me what I am allowed to feel oppressed by.

People who have never experienced homophobia in their lives, people who have never checked themselves at a pedestrian crossing, have told me that unless I am being thrown into prison, or herded onto a cattle truck, then it is not homophobia. And that feels oppressive.

And so now, Irish gay people, we find ourselves in this ludicrous situation where we are not only not allowed to say publicly what we feel oppressed by, we’re not even allowed to think it, because the very definition - our definition - has been disallowed by our "betters".

And for the last three weeks, I’ve been denounced - from the floor of the Oireachtas [the Irish parliament], to newspaper columns, to the seething morass of internet commentary - denounced for using hate speech because I dared to use the word ‘homophobia’, and a jumped-up queer like me should know that the word homophobia is no longer available to gay people. Which is a spectacular and neat Orwellian trick, because now it turns out that gay people are not the victims of homophobia, homophobes are the victims of homophobia.

So yes, Neo - have your views, as regressive as they are - but don't try play victim or the role of the oppressed in the situation and expect to go unchallenged.

We have to fight to be seen as equal - you just have to sit on your butt and run your mouth off and go about life as you see fit.

Check your privilege, sir.

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...I am gay. I've neglected to mention it so far, as I had no reasons to, but yes, see this as my coming out on MyG....

Welcome to the club :D

Please pick up your rainbow flag, "love is love" pin badge and your copy of the Gay Agenda: 12 steps to global domination (in a fun way) at the door.
 
Heh, yeah. It's the same old "be tolerant to the intolerant" line that homophobes have been parroting for decades.

Edit: I love how the forum thanks me for deducting rep from Neo. :p

Oh goodness... the old paradox of tolerance.

This argument is total, unmitigated bullshit. Here's why: This assumes that totally uncritical tolerance is desirable. There's a distinction between being tolerant and blind moral relativism, and it is perfectly reasonable to say that it is not desirable to be perfectly tolerant of every single thing. Extremism rarely bodes well for anybody.

Karl Popper explains it quite well actually:
“”Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them...We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.[1]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tolerance
 
Here's an interesting question you need to ask yourself; Did you choose to be straight? If so, when and how? I present these questions because when someone says "you choose to be gay", it is the same as saying "you choose to be straight" IMO.

I recently watched a video (By YouTuber Brick Stone), he basically asks the same questions to anti-gay activists from the Westboro Baptist Church, he also asserts that possibly, people who insist they had a choice in their sexuality are bi-sexual and chose which side of the fence they preferred, but that doesn't simply mean that everyone else had a choice. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but it's a very interesting way to look at it. But the assumption that a gay or straight person chooses to be either gay or straight is misguided and wrong.
 
Welcome to the club :D

Please pick up your rainbow flag, "love is love" pin badge and your copy of the Gay Agenda: 12 steps to global domination (in a fun way) at the door.

Thanks :D. Very grateful to be part of such an accepting online community.
 
You're right, you are entitled to your view ...... as long as that view does not include openly deriding or hating the targets of your opinion. We all have prejudices of some kind, it's how we act that sets us apart.

I agree 100% with you. It's about respect. If you cannot respect yourself, then at least respect others. Which is why I get so de-moer-in with people when they post openly derogatory and insulting images/jokes about my religion on here, and then get upset when I say something about it. In hindsight of my comment, if someone doesn't have respect for themselves, there's no way they'll respect others either.

People are jerks.

Addition: I actually saw now that someone on here (clearly a massive activist for gay and lesbian rights) has given me a negative reputation for my comment.

How DARE I not agree with their decisions? What gives ME the right to have my OWN opinion? Who on Earth said I should follow the doctrine of my religion? I'm such a selfish bastard to have my OWN views and opinions.

To people who think like that, such as the one who gave me a negative rep - all I can say is "build a bridge and get over yourself". You cannot force someone to agree with something. You're a big, fat hypocrite and it will get you nowhere in life.
 
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Yes. Yes you do :p


And I don't think your sexuality really matters; as long as you continue making cool posts it doesn't matter :p

Awesome. I've obviously been out in the 'real world' for ages but always gotta be careful around online communities as the anonymity of the internet sometimes leads people to say things they shouldn't. Was hard enough being a noob during the first PS4 comp, didn't need to have another reason for people to shun me :p
 
Awesome. I've obviously been out in the 'real world' for ages but always gotta be careful around online communities as the anonymity of the internet sometimes leads people to say things they shouldn't. Was hard enough being a noob during the first PS4 comp, didn't need to have another reason for people to shun me :p

That's the cool thing about the internet. You can be whoever you want to be and people don't have to know anything about you apart from what you show them.

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I can't believe that people still have issues with someone being gay.

This is the 21st century, not the damn middle ages.

I find it so funny when people make a fuss about seeing a gay couple, its nothing new and shouldn't be any different from seeing a guy and his girl.

Humans are humans, whether your straight or gay.
 
I can't believe that people still have issues with someone being gay.

This is the 21st century, not the damn middle ages.

I find it so funny when people make a fuss about seeing a gay couple, its nothing new and shouldn't be any different from seeing a guy and his girl.

Humans are humans, whether your straight or gay.

I have issues with it because it goes directly against my religion. However, I don't shout obscenities at them as they walk by. I just don't agree with it. You're telling me that I "have" to accept and agree with someone's choices in life? If that's the case, go talk to some Jewish folks and mention that Hitler "wasn't such a bad guy".

What this thread proves is one thing: people will bash whoever and whatever they feel like. There is f@#$-all respect left in this generation.
 
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I agree 100% with you. It's about respect. If you cannot respect yourself, then at least respect others. Which is why I get so de-moer-in with people when they post openly derogatory and insulting images/jokes about my religion on here, and then get upset when I say something about it. In hindsight of my comment, if someone doesn't have respect for themselves, there's no way they'll respect others either.

People are jerks.

Addition: I actually saw now that someone on here (clearly a massive activist for gay and lesbian rights) has given me a negative reputation for my comment.

How DARE I not agree with their decisions? What gives ME the right to have my OWN opinion? Who on Earth said I should follow the doctrine of my religion? I'm such a selfish bastard to have my OWN views and opinions.

To people who think like that, such as the one who gave me a negative rep - all I can say is "build a bridge and get over yourself". You cannot force someone to agree with something. You're a big, fat hypocrite and it will get you nowhere in life.

Homosexuality is not a decision, you numbnuts! Which part of this do you find hard to understand?

When my best friend committed suicide in high school, the suicide note did not read that he refused to change to heterosexuality after his family refused to accept his 'decision', it read that he couldn't help that he was gay and his family didn't accept that it was something he couldn't help. You should be fucking grateful this exchange is happening on the internet where the worst I can do is neg-rep you, because if you demoted my friend's death to him being unwilling to make a 'decision', I would knock you flat on your ass. My friend killed himself because of people like you. On his funeral I told his parents that I blamed them and I have no problem telling people like you that I also blame you for these tragedies and generally shitty circumstances many LGBT people have to live under.

Maybe you wouldn't receive so much derision on these forums if you weren't such an, excuse the word, cunt. As long as you keep perpetuating your homophobic filth, innocent teens like my friend will keep living in fear, shame and depression. You don't get a free pass to be a cunt just because it forms part of your religion, and nobody should be forced to respect a religion that is steeped in hate. Homosexuality is not a choice. That notion is a lie being perpetuated by brainwashed religious people with their heads so far up their asses, they can taste what they had for breakfast.

tl;dr, fuck you. Sorry for everyone else who has to read this rant, but I find it very difficult to control myself around people who are so self-righteous that they not only spread these filthy lies, but believe they're being victimized when they're called out on it. They're pathetic excuses for human beings.

And now I'm going to have to excuse myself from this thread, because I don't want to make the situation even worse than I already have.
 
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