Ellen Page's moving speech at the Time to Thrive Conference

[Neo]

Actually, you're the person that gave me a negative rep simply because I said that people have a right NOT to accept homosexuality. Religion wasn't even mentioned then before you lashed out. So again, seriously, does the hypocrisy not stop, ever?!?

In fact, my first reply was actually on-point saying that, these days, if you don't immediately accept someone's life choices then you must immediately be labelled as a racist, sexist, homophobe etc.

You're no longer allowed to have your own opinions. You HAVE to conform to the mainstream views, or else....

How on earth is that right!?

Yet you still don't provide any logic or texts or anything that validates your point.

It's pretty easy to Google all of the Biblical references you'll ever need. The fact is, according to Christianity, it's a sin. Christians should be opposed to ALL forms of sin. Period. There's no way of pussy-footing around it. Again, this thread is NOT a religious discussion. But as always, as soon as there's blood in the water, the sharks will come.

Again, I ask you - look at my very first reply to this thread. It was in NO WAY out of context, disrespectful or hateful. Yet the backlash from that was as severe as always.

You want to tell me that I'm not being reasonable or that I'm not partaking in the spirit of the debate, but my very first post and the fallout thereof completely contradicts that. Again, it's a case of people only seeing what they want to see.

 

[Clive Woofer]

He's intolerant and militant, there is no getting to people like that so no one bother. Lock the thread, and the nutter and throw away teh key

I think this is the best solution. Neo has shown that he doesn't give a crap about reason or logic, and then ignores everyone's posts and counter-arguments so that he can continue claiming to be the victim, even as he tells the homosexuals on this forum that they're going to burn in hell.

 

[OmegaFenix]

You seem to miss the idea behind Christianity and the whole "new" testament. Again, people who are not Christian REALLY shouldn't try and comment on it.

So God called backsies? The reason some of those got retconned is because people decide "Well fuck Bacon is awesome! Lets tipex that shit out of the bible!"

Similarly Christianity started using contraception or condoms because science proved that we need it.

Similarly in a modern times the age old doctrine that condemned homosexuality has no place, the same way sexism or racism has no place.

BTW Im a christian born and raised, however when I got my brains I left the church and have never looked back.

 

[Crableg]

Neo, people would be "mocking" you or your religion if you could just counter-argue with proper facts etc. All of the questions asked you have just angrily replied to saying the forum is disrepectful.

Also,

You're no longer allowed to have your own opinions. You HAVE to conform to the mainstream views, or else....

How on earth is that right!?

This is something you need to tell us, its a very hypocritical statement that, We are open minded, you're talking about Christianity like its a hipster.

Just reply with proper arguments and facts, and people will stop slandering you.

 

[Clive Woofer]

Hypocrites. Hypocrites everywhere.

Isn't it ironic how you criticize homosexuals by telling them they made a choice (even though they didn't) and telling them they're going to burn in hell, then when we criticize your opinion you want to throw your toys out of the cot because you're being 'victimized.'

I think StaggerLee is right. This is nothing but a very elaborate troll. It's just too nuts, even for a religious fundamentalist.

I'm outta this thread.

 

[Saint_Dee]

It's that's simple. My comment about NOT personally accepting and condoning her speech SHOULD HAVE BEEN as respected as her speech itself. The very "topic" that you are defending to the teeth.

Hypocrites. Hypocrites everywhere.

The problem is that this is the equivalent of not personally accepting and condoning a speech from someone who is celebrating the fact that they're Black, White, Indian, a woman, etc. And by extension, well, I already mentioned this earlier in the thread.

 

[Clive Woofer]

Actually, you're the person that gave me a negative rep simply because I said that people have a right NOT to accept homosexuality. Religion wasn't even mentioned then before you lashed out. So again, seriously, does the hypocrisy not stop, ever?!?

In fact, my first reply was actually on-point saying that, these days, if you don't immediately accept someone's life choices then you must immediately be labelled as a racist, sexist, homophobe etc.

I gave you a neg-rep because you lied about homosexuality by insisting it's a choice, just so that you could get away with being a homophobe without being labelled one.

Homosexuality is not a choice. Your 'non-disagreement' is therefore discrimination. Homophobe be thy name.

Out for real now. Just felt I had to say that.

 

[TheAvenged87]

I would like to use this thread as case-in-point for what happens on this forum, and again it comes back to my VERY FIRST reply in this thread about respect.

My reply on this thread was that, as much as people want to come out of the closet and shout to the world they are gay/lesbian/chinese, I have JUST as much right to not condone that. Which, if you think about fairness and balance, is 100% correct and should not evoke argument. After all, no one should accept or condone something if they feel it's wrong. WRONG. Not on this forum. This is the internets and we hate people who do not embrace atheist (oops, I meant "popular") principles.

Then, when I said that I did not deserve the negative reps that I received for my initial reply and mentioned that my religious views simply do not allow for homosexuality - the bomb exploded. Why? Because HERE'S a chance to rope Christianity into the mix and slander it as much as we want, because we are the internets, and Christianity (especially) is not welcome here. MyGaming's ethos.

So yeah, true - I get annoyed with you all (although I shouldn't get annoyed at something as predictable) when, once again, Christianity is being ripped to shreds, falsified and generally slandered. I'm sort of getting used to that now, here. How many times has someone posted very disrespectful images about Christianity in the image thread, and everyone has a lekker chuckle? After all, why not? It's not like it was some other religion.

It still boils down to that one point though. Someone (me) went against the popular opinion....and you lot just can not respect an alternative opinion. It's that's simple. My comment about NOT personally accepting and condoning her speech SHOULD HAVE BEEN as respected as her speech itself. The very "topic" that you are defending to the teeth.

Hypocrites. Hypocrites everywhere.

Don't make yourself a martyr here. You're not going against popular opinion, your forcing your own one on the thread. You even disputed Solitude's (who is pretty much the nicest person to have ever touched a keyboard) religious status. And that's after trying to justify your distaste of homosexuality. It is okay if you bash that, but as soon as someone else bashes your stuff, we're hypocrites. I think that it is the other way around.

I can't even begin to describe how much you don't make sense and your argument is ridiculous. I have no more words for you, except good luck with going through life with that mindset. Because you're not going to have a good time. I'll leave you with this.

Blocking this guy. Would negrep too, but I've already done that.

 

[Lycanthrope]

You're no longer allowed to have your own opinions. You HAVE to conform to the mainstream views, or else....

No, there's just being wrong, realising it and coming to terms with that, and being wrong and wilfully obtuse.

It's pretty easy to Google all of the Biblical references you'll ever need. The fact is, according to Christianity, it's a sin. Christians should be opposed to ALL forms of sin. Period. There's no way of pussy-footing around it.

Gay people exist. It's not a choice--any gay person can tell you this, but that's not good enough for you. You insist it's a choice and proceed to condemn, damn, insult and look down on them.

You claim it's your religion's fault that you feel this way. Yet you'd rather agree with your batshit religion (or your batshit take on your religion, take your pick) than to accept the fucking truth and consider maybe the problem is with... Oh, I dunno, either your take on your religion or with your religion

You want to tell me that I'm not being reasonable or that I'm not partaking in the spirit of the debate, but my very first post and the fallout thereof completely contradicts that. Again, it's a case of people only seeing what they want to see.

Good gaming gods, I love irony.

 

[matt]

I'll just leave this here. This is what the Pope (head of [afaik] the biggest, oldest, and probably most strict christian denomination, and who is probably the highest authority on christian doctrine) has to say on the matter.

Francis said in the interview that the catechism, or the Roman Catholic Church's official doctrine book, condemns homosexual acts, but he called on the Church to love gays and lesbians, who "must be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity."

In a much quoted sentence from the interview, Francis said, "Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free: it is not possible to interfere spirtually in the life of a person."

"If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge him?" said Francis to reporters on board a plane returning from Brazil. "The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well. It says they should not be marginalized because of this (orientation) but that they must be integrated into society."

http://www.christianpost.com/news/p...t-accept-lgbt-with-respect-compassion-104941/

 

[Neo]

@Matt, that's a very valid post. But I'm Christian, so the Pope and the Catholic views are slightly different (funny enough, many people don't know there are some key differences between Catholic and Christian views)

Just to bring this thread back on topic (if that's even possible at this stage):

Let's leave ALL religion out of this. Let's just come back to my original comment: The fact that, as a person in my own capacity, I have the right to be opposed to homosexuality - for various personal reasons.

How is that comment wrong? Is that not just as valid as someone saying they are NOT opposed to it?

Seriously, I came into this thread thinking it was an open, unbiased discussion - and I ended up feeling like a DA supporter at an EFF rally. So please, if someone can explain to me why my disagreement with someone else's life choices somehow makes me personally incorrect....go ahead.

 

[XbatousaiX]

And this guy should be rage-banned.

I normally don't reply to shit like this what was that in aid of.

 

[Lycanthrope]

@Matt, that's a very valid post. But I'm Christian, so the Pope and the Catholic views are slightly different (funny enough, many people don't know there are some key differences between Catholic and Christian views)

Just to bring this thread back on topic (if that's even possible at this stage):

Let's leave ALL religion out of this. Let's just come back to my original comment: The fact that, as a person in my own capacity, I have the right to be opposed to homosexuality - for various personal reasons.

How is that comment wrong? Is that not just as valid as someone saying they are NOT opposed to it?

You are entitled to your opinion. Nobody ever said you weren't.

Your opinion, however, is drenched in mud, fallacy and idiocy. It has no bearing on reality. Your opinion is about as valid as it would be to believe that the world is flat.

That you are "opposed" to homosexuality is on par with being "opposed" to someone just not looking the way you want them to. It's madness. It's bigotry and that is, ultimately, wrong.

And most importantly, people who hold shit opinions should be called out on them. Lest we go back to stoning each other because we believe that's "right."

 

[StaggerLee]

@Matt, that's a very valid post. But I'm Christian, so the Pope and the Catholic views are slightly different (funny enough, many people don't know there are some key differences between Catholic and Christian views)

SEE! SEE! Now he's trolling the Catholics!

Must...resist...

This comic comes to mind having followed this thread for the past couple of days:

Original link: https://xkcd.com/386/

Edit: Couldn't resist, I am weak:

Catholics are Christians. They are a denomination of Christianity. They are not a different religion. They do not worship Mary.

Whew! I feel better now.

 

[brendanvb]

@Matt, that's a very valid post. But I'm Christian, so the Pope and the Catholic views are slightly different (funny enough, many people don't know there are some key differences between Catholic and Christian views)

Just to bring this thread back on topic (if that's even possible at this stage):

Let's leave ALL religion out of this. Let's just come back to my original comment: The fact that, as a person in my own capacity, I have the right to be opposed to homosexuality - for various personal reasons.

How is that comment wrong? Is that not just as valid as someone saying they are NOT opposed to it?

Seriously, I came into this thread thinking it was an open, unbiased discussion - and I ended up feeling like a DA supporter at an EFF rally. So please, if someone can explain to me why my disagreement with someone else's life choices somehow makes me personally incorrect....go ahead.

It is wrong because it is like saying you are opposed to someone that is black (i.e. they had no choice in the matter).

 

[Saint_Dee]

@Matt, that's a very valid post. But I'm Christian, so the Pope and the Catholic views are slightly different (funny enough, many people don't know there are some key differences between Catholic and Christian views)

Just to bring this thread back on topic (if that's even possible at this stage):

Let's leave ALL religion out of this. Let's just come back to my original comment: The fact that, as a person in my own capacity, I have the right to be opposed to homosexuality - for various personal reasons.

How is that comment wrong? Is that not just as valid as someone saying they are NOT opposed to it?

Because we've now established that homosexuality isn't a choice, your comment is pretty much the same as saying you're opposed to someone being of a certain race or gender, etc.

 

[Stunt]

@Matt, that's a very valid post. But I'm Christian, so the Pope and the Catholic views are slightly different (funny enough, many people don't know there are some key differences between Catholic and Christian views)

Catholic is Christian... You might be thinking on Protestant views, which is also Christian. So is a plethora of different branches in the Christian faith. This is your problem to start with, you categorise yourself and then try to atone to a standard that is contradictory to itself. You shall not judge, we learn this early on. Why over-ride it? Let their judgement come and be dealt if that's what you believe, but don't enforce it, because you look seemingly less like a Christian every time you do.

Just to bring this thread back on topic (if that's even possible at this stage):

Let's leave ALL religion out of this. Let's just come back to my original comment: The fact that, as a person in my own capacity, I have the right to be opposed to homosexuality - for various personal reasons.

How is that comment wrong? Is that not just as valid as someone saying they are NOT opposed to it?

This I agree with. I don't favour hearing the intricacies of my gay friend's relationships, they know this and keep those details from me out of respect. I love them and respect them enough to accept them for who they are and will do so to the end of days.

What I suggest is that you have your opinion and support it if you must, but there's no need to be so aggressively direct about it. If these threads ail you so much, avoid them

 

[MetalSoup]

Because we've now established that homosexuality isn't a choice, your comment is pretty much the same as saying you're opposed to someone being of a certain race or gender, etc.

I'm opposed to Saint_Dee being a black guy. I insist you should be a beautiful white girl this instant - for various personal reasons.

 

[Clive Woofer]

Let's leave ALL religion out of this. Let's just come back to my original comment: The fact that, as a person in my own capacity, I have the right to be opposed to homosexuality - for various personal reasons.

But of course, Neo. You definitely have the right to feel that way if you want. You do not, however, have the right to have it go unchallenged. If you want to post opinions based on lies without them being challenged, maybe Stormfront will be more your speed?

 

[Saint_Dee]

And a comment like the following, falls in the same category as yours, Neo:

I'm opposed to Saint_Dee being a black guy. I insist you should be a beautiful white girl this instant - for various personal reasons.