Flex
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But why take that chance. Spending thousands of Rands on a good GPU and CPU, why not just put extra bit of money in towards a decent PSU
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But why take that chance. Spending thousands of Rands on a good GPU and CPU, why not just put extra bit of money in towards a decent PSU
AstroTurf
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Why not buy a R250 psu and case combo now and then when you have more cash upgrade it to go with the better MB you could have bought for your price range?
If a cheap psu dies, you lose a psu and have to buy another 1.
If you buy a cheap motherboard it is going to cost you way more in the future than temporarily running on a cheap psu.
The worst that can happen with a cheap psu is your pc may be underpowered but at a R10K budget not much chance of that happening.
When you have some cash, upgrade the psu, stick the cheapie in the cupboard and when your expensive one dies, you have a backup
Flex
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Why not buy a R250 psu and case combo now and then when you have more cash upgrade it to go with the better MB you could have bought for your price range?
If a cheap psu dies, you lose a psu and have to buy another 1.
If you buy a cheap motherboard it is going to cost you way more in the future than temporarily running on a cheap psu.
The worst that can happen with a cheap psu is your pc may be underpowered but at a R10K budget not much chance of that happening.
When you have some cash, upgrade the psu, stick the cheapie in the cupboard and when your expensive one dies, you have a backup
It is not as simple as, if it dies or is under powered.It can be harmful to the parts. It can take other components with it if it surges or provides unstable power. Then you might need new components anyway. So it is totally counter productive to me and makes 0 sense
AstroTurf
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Very small risk of any of that happening (about the same amount as it happening with an expensive psu).
Had many cheap psu's die, never had new hardware die with them.
The Joker
Thread Killer MKII
Ignorance is bliss.
You don't deal with rmaing of parts, so just because it hasn't happened to you, you assume there is a small chance of it happening. Which is not the case.
I deal with rma's. I've seen 1st hand what happens when a pos psu goes.Including dead motherboards, fried ram and even dead cpu's. On the odd occasion I've seen dead gpu's as well. Do not give people advice like this, you're causing more harm than good. You mention it has a chance to happen to more expensive brands as well, which is somewhat true, except for the fact that decent psu's generally come with protection for when things like that happen.
I've seen a Gigabyte 585 destroy an entire pc, as in nothing worked.
Also your 10 000 pc comment is hilarious, thanx for the laugh.
If you worked for me and you gave my clients advice like buying a R250 case and psu combo for a gaming pc I would fire you on the spot.
Edit: You also mention esquire..that company is the toilet of the SA PC hardware market. They used to be fairly good years ago but now..I wouldn't buy a usb cable from them.
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Flex
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AstroTurf
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1996-present I have built and maintained around 10000 computers.
Anyway, pointless debate is pointless.
Oh and if course you would fire me. That's what happens to people that cost the company they work for profit.
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Flex
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That is why it is called a debate
has many different sides and points.I just want to know what the whole theory behind your theory is basically. Why not save just a few months and put something together properly. Instead of gooi-ing parts around here and there. And why do companies then make Bronze, Silver and Gold rates PSU's whe we could all just walk around with under powered R100 PSUs for our systems? To me it is like if you have a 2 stroke motor. Sure you can buy cheap 2 stroke oil, and mix it with they eye. Maybe 2 guys in your block have done it before and they ride fine without issues. But for the most people outside of your neighborhood their engines seize up after a while.
The Joker
Thread Killer MKII
Things I could say to this, but I'm not going to get into it.
IT has nothing to do with profit, you're just proving how ignorant you are when it comes to building pc's.
Telling someone to skimp on a psu to get a better motherboard..really? lol
I'm not even a fan of the psu I've used in the build but it is the absolute lowest spec I would go for.
Anyway I'm out.
@OP, you're welcome to drop me a pm if you need anymore advice. I'll gladly steer you in the "RIGHT" direction.
AstroTurf
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Called it a pointless debate because there is always someone that comes with a high handed attitude and holier than though justification for spending mega bucks on psu.That is why it is called a debate
I just want to know what the whole theory behind your theory is basically. Why not save just a few months and put something together properly. Instead of gooi-ing parts around here and there. And why do companies then make Bronze, Silver and Gold rates PSU's whe we could all just walk around with under powered R100 PSUs for our systems? To me it is like if you have a 2 stroke motor. Sure you can buy cheap 2 stroke oil, and mix it with they eye. Maybe 2 guys in your block have done it before and they ride fine without issues. But for the most people outside of your neighborhood their engines seize up after a while.
I'm not in the mood for attitude from strangers about an opinion and the psu thing seems to bring the worst out in people.
Psu systems have not changed much in years.
But on your 2 stroke analogy, basically people are powering their lawnmowers with v8 engines.
Sometimes you gotta ride the bus till you can buy a car.
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AstroTurf
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So where do those RMA's come from? You never stick cheap psu's into systems remember "whistling:
Flex
Will lift for boobs!
Not sure how you can say that they have not changed in years.
Their efficiency, railings and ratings have all changed over the years as they improve.
A quick Read on PSU's on Wiki will freshen this up a bit.
And not quite sure what the V8 lawnmower comment means, if it was a 2 stroke perhaps has some kind of relevance
But was this what you meant?
If you have advice thats all nice and well. But you should really be able to jsutify and back it up. Not just with a statement saying PSU systems have not changed in years. As that is very very false imo
AstroTurf
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Not sure how you can say that they have not changed in years.
Their efficiency, railings and ratings have all changed over the years as they improve.
A quick Read on PSU's on Wiki will freshen this up a bit.
And not quite sure what the V8 lawnmower comment means, if it was a 2 stroke perhaps has some kind of relevance
If you have advice thats all nice and well. But you should really be able to jsutify and back it up. Not just with a statement saying PSU systems have not changed in years. As that is very very false imo
Rated power output 10 years ago and today.
Anyway, pointless.
mottamort
Bargain Hunter
Time for my 1c!
if you skimp on a cheap psu, you'll likely be fine. but if something happens the odds are quite good the psu is lonely and won't want to die by itself, taking whatever the hell it can with it. There really is a reason why these psu's are as cheap as they are. They're barebone...they're mostly fine, if you're powering a desktop pc that runs solitaire, word and minimal browsing at the office.
The SECOND you stick any kind of discrete card in your machine FOR THE LOVE OF PETE get yourself a better PSU. there is no debate, end of story.
With my work, the number one reason a pc goes down is shitty psu...but the client then just replaces it with yet another one, coz all they see is price. cant argue, but see you in a year.
I'm pretty sure there's a thread around from [MENTION=6600]PsychoFish[/MENTION] that was HELLA informative regarding power supplies. I'll search and link it later
if you skimp on a cheap psu, you'll likely be fine. but if something happens the odds are quite good the psu is lonely and won't want to die by itself, taking whatever the hell it can with it. There really is a reason why these psu's are as cheap as they are. They're barebone...they're mostly fine, if you're powering a desktop pc that runs solitaire, word and minimal browsing at the office.
The SECOND you stick any kind of discrete card in your machine FOR THE LOVE OF PETE get yourself a better PSU. there is no debate, end of story.
With my work, the number one reason a pc goes down is shitty psu...but the client then just replaces it with yet another one, coz all they see is price. cant argue, but see you in a year.
I'm pretty sure there's a thread around from [MENTION=6600]PsychoFish[/MENTION] that was HELLA informative regarding power supplies. I'll search and link it later
JaybonePatrone
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Hey TheJoker,
Yeah I don't expect smashing games out at max settings and crazy FPS and such - Just want to start somewhere.. I have heard ARMA 3 is crazy CPU muncher. what sort of sized SSD would you recommend?
Yeah I don't expect smashing games out at max settings and crazy FPS and such - Just want to start somewhere.. I have heard ARMA 3 is crazy CPU muncher. what sort of sized SSD would you recommend?
JaybonePatrone
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B1nary, I got a 50" TV but no xbox controller, left that all in UK. ( i also personally feel sitting that close to that size of a screen is not particularly good for thee old eyesight of mine.. I like my little screens)
Flex
Will lift for boobs!
Don't like it when someone makes a bold statement. And then can't handle a normal debate about his statement :/ Why voice an opinion then?
A PSU is much more than a Magical Battery Box from the 1900's.
Founds this PSU Buyers Guide which is quite nice and useful. Explaining on quite a few points te difference between modern PSUs and older PSUs.
Read it or not, but HERE it is anyway.
AstroTurf
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Don't like it when someone makes a bold statement. And then can't handle a normal debate about his statement :/ Why voice an opinion then?
A PSU is much more than a Magical Battery Box from the 1900's.
Founds this PSU Buyers Guide which is quite nice and useful. Explaining on quite a few points te difference between modern PSUs and older PSUs.
Read it or not, but HERE it is anyway.
ok
JaybonePatrone
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So reading back through all comments, I am seeing some informative stuff, and some stuff going off on a tangent.
bottom line is for the new kid on the block?
bottom line is for the new kid on the block?
Flex
Will lift for boobs!
Go do some research on website like Toms hardware and those kind of sites of you are trouble by advice given on a local forum. There are guys here that are very knowledgeable, and others not so much. but this is only a small local forum. There are lots of articles written and huge international forums with exactly the same questions which might help you out even more. Buying cheap can sometimes be buying expensive
And that does not mean sell your car and spend a fortune on a setup. just be wise