First Build - PC newbie.. HELP NEEDED PLEASE!

Follow @TheJoker's build. He knows his stuff. The debate around PSU's could lead you to either follow the build, or swop the PSU listed down for a lower spec one; with the R9 GPU and i5 CPU in that build, I wouldn't take that risk.

Personal opinion: Most of what he and [MENTION=16362]Flex[/MENTION] said about PSU's, I agree with.
 
So reading back through all comments, I am seeing some informative stuff, and some stuff going off on a tangent.

bottom line is for the new kid on the block?

Well its up to you to decide which is the advice you take, and which is the tangent :)

one school of thought is saying don' risk your stuff by using a cheap PSU, but to rather buy a good quality one now.
The other school of thought is saying theres no risk in getting a cheapy now and using that cash for other components...and throwing it away later to upgrade to a better PSU down the line.

your call :p
 
Flex,

I just like using the local guys such as yourself, cause using same currency, you guys tend to know the local PC hardware pricing and whats available in SA, whats supported here. Local knowledge is sometimes better, I've looked at toms hardware - will keep researching. I don't expect to fork out $$$$ for top of the range gear, that would be a daft thing to do on my part. :) wise words from a wise man.
 
Flex,

I just like using the local guys such as yourself, cause using same currency, you guys tend to know the local PC hardware pricing and whats available in SA, whats supported here. Local knowledge is sometimes better, I've looked at toms hardware - will keep researching. I don't expect to fork out $$$$ for top of the range gear, that would be a daft thing to do on my part. :) wise words from a wise man.

When it comes to pricing yes. Then stop looking on international sites.
But for example this issue about the the PSU's. Take what you read here, and go do research on bigger sites. Then come back here.D don't stay there, as this is the place to be. Then we assist further and you know more about what you are building and why you are building it and not just following advice blindly :) Hope that makes sense and helps
 
Well its up to you to decide which is the advice you take, and which is the tangent :)

one school of thought is saying don' risk your stuff by using a cheap PSU, but to rather buy a good quality one now.
The other school of thought is saying theres no risk in getting a cheapy now and using that cash for other components...and throwing it away later to upgrade to a better PSU down the line.

your call :p

Decisions decisions... :eek: Nah I am starting to feel like perhaps spending that extra money on a decent PSU can probably help me in the long run. Rather that then have something possibly go wrong with an el Cheapo.
 
Well its up to you to decide which is the advice you take, and which is the tangent :)

one school of thought is saying don' risk your stuff by using a cheap PSU, but to rather buy a good quality one now.
The other school of thought is saying theres no risk in getting a cheapy now and using that cash for other components...and throwing it away later to upgrade to a better PSU down the line.

your call :p

I like how you said GOOD QUALITY and NOT expensive. Those are actually the key words.
 
so my 50c for what it's worth when i built my pc about 4 years ago i skimped a bit on the psu i didnt buy the cheapest but it definitely wasnt anywhere near to the best raidmax 650 if i recall correctly and i must admit it's done me very proud and still going strong, but then again i have become a raidmax fan I love their chassis. With all that being said if i had to build a pc now I would most probably put a bit more into the psu, but on the same hand i would not go buy the best psu i can get and drop my cpu and gpu down like 500 versions :p
 
Reading through this thread...

Don't skimp on the PSU. Joker mentioned the Gigabyte 585. I literally knew a guy with that exact PSU and mindset. It didn't end well for him. The thing took half his system with it, when it died.

I knew another guy with one of those Huntkey Green Power 550w. A similar thing happened. The idiot still bought it, even after I showed him this.

I'm not a master builder or something, but apply common sense when building PC's. Just like anything in life, when you skimp out, you're increasing the risk of something going wrong. Personally, I always recommend getting a Seasonic 80Plus Bronze, Silver or Gold. They're one of the best. Unfortunately, there's a price premium and they're also getting quite hard to find locally now. I think only Raru stocks them.

The topic of the 80 plus certification in relation to efficiency is another thing to think about. Just because it says 500w on the box, doesn't necessarily mean you will be able to draw all 500 watts, especially on cheaper units.
 
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Reading through this thread...

Don't skimp on the PSU. Joker mentioned the Gigabyte 585. I literally knew a guy with that exact PSU and mindset. It didn't end well for him. The thing took half his system with it, when it died.

I knew another guy with one of those Huntkey Green Power 550w. A similar thing happened. The idiot still bought it, even after I showed him this.

I'm not a master builder or something, but apply common sense when building PC's. Just like anything in life, when you skimp out, you're increasing the risk of something going wrong. Personally, I always recommend getting a Seasonic 80Plus Bronze, Silver or Gold. They're one of the best. Unfortunately, there's a price premium and they're also getting quite hard to find locally now. I think only Raru stocks them.

The topic of the 80 plus certification in relation to efficiency is another thing to think about. Just because it says 500w on the box, doesn't necessarily mean you will be able to draw all 500 watts, especially on cheaper units.

Ouch. This is my PSU HX620w I find it funny that they pushed it to 750w with overload tests.

If I ever do get a new PSU I will definitely look for one with power factor correction (PFC)
 
The topic of the 80 plus certification in relation to efficiency is another thing to think about. Just because it says 500w on the box, doesn't necessarily mean you will be able to draw all 500 watts, especially on cheaper units.

It's the rails man, read the BLOODY SPECS OF THE PSU, I get so bloody worked up about shitty PSUs and people buying and recommending all kinds of shit, yes SHIT to people without actually taking the time to just read a little bit about how switched-mode power supplies work.

Power supplies are designed around 40% greater than the calculated system power consumption. Power supplies label their total power output, and label how this is determined by the amperage limits for each of the voltages supplied. Some power supplies have no-overload protection.The system power consumption is a sum of the power ratings for all of the components of the computer system that draw on the power supply. For certain graphics cards, the PSU's 12 V rating is crucial. If the total 12 V rating on the power supply is higher than the suggested rating of the card, then that power supply may fully serve the card if any other 12 V system components are taken into account. The manufacturers of these computer system components, especially graphics cards, tend to over-rate their power requirements, to minimize support issues due to too low of a power supply. Although a power supply with a larger than needed power rating will have an extra margin of safety against overloading, such a unit is often less efficient and wastes more electricity at lower loads than a more appropriately sized unit. For example, a 900-watt power supply with the 80 Plus Silver efficiency rating (which means that such a power supply is designed to be at least 85-percent efficient for loads above 180 W) may only be 73% efficient when the load is lower than 100 W, which is a typical idle power for a desktop computer. Thus, for a 100 W load, losses for this supply would be 37 W; if the same power supply was put under a 450 W load, for which the supply's efficiency peaks at 89%, the loss would be only 56 W despite supplying 4.5 times the useful power. A power supply that is self-certified by its manufacturer will claim output ratings that may be double or more than what is actually provided. Most "500 watt" PC PSUs can't actually deliver 500 watts constantly for any length of time.

That's often OK, because it's hard to create a computer that loads up the different rails of a power supply in the right proportions to add up to the thing's total official power rating, anyway. If the degree of spec inflation is not high, then it won't actually matter any more than the fact that your car's speedometer goes 50 km/h higher than the vehicle can actually manage.

But suppose you're a bargain hunter armed with the knowledge that your new gaming box will have an actual peak power draw of, say, 350 watts, well within the capacity of any decent "500W" PSU. You may be dismayed to discover that the "500W" PSU you bought from a marvelously cheap dealer will barely get your PC to a Windows desktop, much less let you run a 3D game. The very cheapest high-rated PSUs, mind you, are complete junk. It's actually possible to find "ranges" of PSUs that have different ratings and different prices, but are all exactly the same inside. Sometimes they come with sheets of rating stickers which the retailers can apply as needed. That certainly makes inventory management easier. Transient super-high current draw from one component can cause the 12V output that component's running from to temporarily dip well below spec, and it's theoretically beneficial to split the computer up into two or more zones, to limit the number of other components that such a glitch will affect. Prime example is a 1200W Thermaltake unit that has no fewer than four 12V outputs, two rated at 20 amps and two at 36A (...and yes, that adds up to 1344 watts in total before you even take the other rails of this "1200W" PSU into account, which tells you that you definitely can't fully load even all of the 12V rails at once).

It's perfectly possible for a PSU manufacturer to just ignore ATX v2, though, and run all of the PSU's 12V outputs in parallel from one super-beefy regulator circuit. In practice, that's likely to work just as well, as long as the one monster circuit isn't very optimistically specified, as they often are in simpler PSUs.

The only real problem with the one-12V-rail idea for most purposes is that a PSU that can deliver several hundred watts through one wire will happily do so if that wire gets shorted to ground. A single-12V-rail version of a "1200W" PSU might be able to deliver a whole kilowatt at 12V, which could cause something quite impressive to happen if you slammed the case closed on a drive power cable.

It's quite easy to hang a multimeter off a drive power connector while the system boots to see if there's a horrible sag, by the way. It's possible that all of your hard drives or fans spinning up at once may now be overloading one of the PSU's outputs.

Realistically, of course, it's virtually impossible to get anything that uses an ATX-type PSU to consume 1.2 kilowatts, let alone 1.5.

Thermaltake put "Quad GPU Ready" on the 1.2kW Toughpower's box, and they're not lying, but there's not a lot of point buying a power supply today for the theoretical 600-watt showpiece graphics systems of tomorrow

here, go read from a tech blog http://www.anandtech.com/show/2624/3

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Excellent post. This man knows what he's talking about. When it comes to PSU's (and electricity in general), people just shut down and stop thinking about it at all, while the general principles are really simple. So simple that it gets taught to high school kids, who we all know are essentially walking genitals who are herded together at school, so as to increase hormone production.

Read and understand the spec of your components, and which rail of your PSU will drive it, and then read and understand the PSU spec. If you don't get it all, don't fret, get what you can, and then jump on the internet. We literally have all of humankind's knowledge available to us, so flippen' use it.
 
yup, and I would still suggest a GTX 960, GTX 970 (if you can afford it) or the Radeon R9 380 if you so prefer.

So i've managed to grab the i5 from Evetech R3399 - R300 cheaper or so compared to Rebeltech.
Case - opted for the Bitfenix comrade Windowed - R478 - RebelTech
PSU - Corsair VS450 R622 - Rebeltech
Motherboard - same as what you went for. ASrock H110M DGS/D3 - R838 RebelTech again

Ive yet to buy the GPU, I'm currently contemplating how this all works... as for the GTX 960.. 970, as well as Radeon R9380.
pricey for me, but then again i paid 3399 for the CPU... I am rather stuck with choosing the GPU. for the GTX 960, asus, Msi, gigabyte? prices do vary gigabyte being what looks to be the cheapest.

another note to add, if i went for something perhaps lower? GTX950? would that suit? the current stuff i've grabbed? if so, again what differences are there between the same three brands?
 
another note to add, if i went for something perhaps lower? GTX950? would that suit? the current stuff i've grabbed? if so, again what differences are there between the same three brands?

In the simplest of terms the differences between Asus, MSI and Gigabyte (and any other vendor) that sells a GTX 950 or GTX 960 is the clock speeds and the coolers they run. Performance wise they tend to be very close to each other generally in a ~10% FPS variance range at most. The 950 will be noticeably slower than the 960, by noticeably I mean the difference between running 50FPS and 60FPS depending on your resolution and graphics settings. If you're not too fussy about running everything @ 1080p with graphics quality set to Ultra then you'll be fine.

a rough guide for me is to spend approximately the same amount of money on the GPU as you have spent on the CPU. However I tend to overspend on GPUs as I prefer to keep them for longer periods of time. My upgrade strategy is generally:

- CPU, Mobo, RAM (ie Haswell CPU/Skylake/etc etc)
- GPU
- CPU (Broadwell CPU/Cannonlake/etc etc)
- Repeat

I also tend to skip one when I move between GPUs, in that I went 750 -> 980 and will skip the 10x0 and jump to the next iteration when it becomes available.
 
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Alright, so if i was to go for the GTX 950 in this case - me being not so fussed about running everything at 1080p with everything set to ultra settings, it should suffice?

as for the rest of the kit, everything else alright so far?
 
Alright, so if i was to go for the GTX 950 in this case - me being not so fussed about running everything at 1080p with everything set to ultra settings, it should suffice?

as for the rest of the kit, everything else alright so far?

Yeah, just don't expect super high end performance, you have a decent mid range gaming machine there.
 
Yeah, just don't expect super high end performance, you have a decent mid range gaming machine there.

Thanks, Its my first build after all. I will eventually start upgrading parts and so on.

perhaps a topic for another post, how would I go about learning about all these components? i.e clock speeds, how certain components fit well with others? For future reference, probably will come in handy when its time to make the upgrades.

your thoughts?
 
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