Gtx 590

Many games won't play on full at high res with those cards... It really has nothing to do with dual monitor support and everything to do with FPS.
 
Many games? Orly? Please name some because I'm playing a number of new releases on highest settings with no probs at 1080p using a GTX570.

Yes frank007, I have a GTX570 Phantom Edition and overclocked it can play any games I throw at it on highest settings. Haven't played through Metro 2033 yet but having played the intro on highest settings at 1080p, I have experienced no noticeable drop in FPS whatsover. I chose a high-end OCed GTX570 because it seems to outshine the low-end GTX580s.
 
What fps do you get in metro? Do you have it on full graphics and in dx11? Don't think so but if you do, wow. I still have to test metro on my new rig.
 
but when a resolution is in the middle, surely you would call it middle-res? high res refers to high res... like you know, higher than normal?
 
You would consider 1080p to be in the middle? Have you checked the drop-down list when applying resolutions in a game/windows? If 1920x1080 is in the middle then you win. If not, well then, er, ja.
 
It is. And this isn't a contest, maybe that is the wrong attitude to have? I prefer to think of this as discussive (forum).
 
It's not a contest but you're putting forth a non-sensical view. Google high res or high res wallpapers. A majority of those will be in 1080p or it's 16:10 equivalent. You state that 1080p is the norm. This is definitely not the case as yet. Most things are rendered in 480p and 720p at best. Anything greater than 1080p is usually a multi monitor set up anyway so I'm confused as to the point you are trying to make. Maybe we should take it back to the beginning, what exactly were you trying to say about about 'those' cards?

I'm sorry if my tone is coming off as hostile. This is a problem with text-based discussions.
 
I agree that they can be bad at relaying tone.

480p and 720p are video sizes based on standards of DVD and Bluray videos and TV.

When i think of high res (and not the common 1080/1050 vert line monitors) i think of 1200 and 1600 and beyond.

In gaming there is almost always something better: more fps, higher res, more shaders, more anti-aliasing, more dpi, new game engines, etc. So saying only multi-monitor support is what is better isn't entirely true, +edit: because then nVidia would be really bad with its measly tri-monitor support compared to ati with six :P

What i could say though is that it may not be a large gain for the amount you pay, for eg. the 590 is not a huge amount faster than a 570.

But if you really take that stance, the 570 isn't that much better than the 560... which isn't that much better than the 480.

Where is it that you draw the line?

Your budget is the only really important thing... and sticking to it can be difficult.
 
DarthSWNT said:
I agree that they can be bad at relaying tone.

480p and 720p are video sizes based on standards of DVD and Bluray videos and TV.

When i think of high res (and not the common 1080/1050 vert line monitors) i think of 1200 and 1600 and beyond.

In gaming there is almost always something better: more fps, higher res, more shaders, more anti-aliasing, more dpi, new game engines, etc. So saying only multi-monitor support is what is better isn't entirely true, +edit: because then nVidia would be really bad with its measly tri-monitor support compared to ati with six :P

What i could say though is that it may not be a large gain for the amount you pay, for eg. the 590 is not a huge amount faster than a 570.

But if you really take that stance, the 570 isn't that much better than the 560... which isn't that much better than the 480.

Where is it that you draw the line?

Your budget is the only really important thing... and sticking to it can be difficult.
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I dont agree with what you are saying. The GTX590 is almost double the speed of the GTX570. Here are 2 sites to look at and then you tell me that they are almost on par performance wise.

http://www.hwcompare.com/9826/geforce-gtx-570-vs-geforce-gtx-590/

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-590-review/1

Not quite double but very close and this is a stock standard GTX590.

On a side not have a look at the GTX570 FPS on Metro 2033.
 
Gah, you are outliers thinking that you are the norm. Note difference between usually/frequently/most times/always etc. Usually anything larger than 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 is a multi-monitor display or a very large one.

Frank, you can cherry pick benchmarks to show just how awesome the GTX590 is and what separates it from the rest. In most games, the difference would be almost unnoticeable to the average joe. We all know that the GTX590 is awesome, what we are trying to interrogate is whether it is worth it for the average gamer?

I think one can draw a line and say that this card is the best purchase for you. My fraps benchmarks have an ave of 27 FPS on Metro2033 (which is surprisingly playable). Would I want a GTX590? Hell yeah if you're giving it to me. But If I'm getting 80+ FPS in DA2 and 50+ in Crysis 2 is it worth me getting a better card?
 
That was not cherry picking at all. that was the first ones that came up when i googled it. I could also look for more if you would want that but just google GTX590 and they will probably compare a whole bunch of cards. Of corse an average gamer would not buy a R7000 card. Average gamer would pay that for there whole computer.

I dont know what your point is that you are trying to get accross though. All that i am trying to say is that if you want to run all your games on full graphics 1920x1080 at least you are going to need something better than a GTX570. Even my GTX580 is not going to cut it on some games, that is why i am looking at another one or just getting a GTX590 in September when i go to China. Agreed for most games the GTX570 is 100% but if you want to run all games at 1920x1080 full graphics you are gonna need something better.
 
Ok, well then it really doesn't seem like we are disagreeing about much.

Out of interest's sake, which are the games your GTX580 struggles with? I probably get the lowest FPS on Metro2033 but playing other modern titles at 1920x1080 such as Dead Space 2, DA2, Civ 5, DOWII+expansions, Homefront, Bulletstorm, AC:Brotherhood and Shift 2 (maybe struggles a little here), I can crank my gfx up to full with AA and AF enabled and enjoy a smooth gaming experience. Funnily enough, the one game I battled with is DA2 but after the latest nVidia drivers (released yest), DA2 FPS has jumped hugely and I've noticed slight improvement in other games as well.
 
I said it in a relative to price way. Yes it outperforms the 570 by quite a lot. but it also costs a lot more.

And FPS in the 20s is not good Ghost29...
 
Lol, I didn't say it was good DarthSWNT. It's playable in Metro2033. Obviously, toning down AA and AF will up it quite a bit, but we're trying to murder the card here and 27 with everything on max in possibly the most demanding game available on the market is decent. FPS is also very subjective and game-dependent. Ideally, I like my ave FPS to be 45+ but in Metro2033 27 is playable. 27 in almost anything else would be impossibly choppy.
 
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