Idea of OnLive making me not happy :(

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Most gamers have probably heard of OnLive by now, but for those who haven't, OnLive is the latest development for gaming, the basic premise being that any games you play get streamed over the internet at 60FPS in HD, meaning highest quality with no lag. This also eliminates the need for computer upgrades.

In some ways the idea seems great, but to me I can't help but see the obvious flaws in preference. As a gamer, freedoms are being restricted more and more. Starcraft II will not feature LAN capabilities, meaning everyone needs to register on Battle.net only to play it online, and for those who want fun nights spent huddled around a cozy HUB, well, Starcraft II won't be satisfying your needs.

It's not only LANs, however. Some games feature such tight anti-piracy control which, realistically, only makes the hackers go wild to find a way around them, which they will find, that people who genuinely buy the game and support the industry suffer big time.

What also seems to be of the fashion is limiting the amount of installs available for a game. This means gamers are at the mercy of piracy, and very stupid measures taken by gaming companies to prevent their games from being “over-installed” (as it would seem) or stolen, yet all it results in is limited freedom, as I stated previously.

I'll compare this to something else; iTunes has made bank by incorporating song downloads at a fraction of the cost of a full CD. Many people download their songs from iTunes due to the ease of access and low price. However, consider this: games and music are not physical, they are just stored on a computer and somehow through however many volts of electricity and binary and large numbers and mathematics either play songs or shine in 3D splendor.

It seems a lot more meaningful to own a CD or game than it is to have it sitting in your hard drive. Not only that, you can whip it out long after your computer's been reduced to rubble and install it on a new system. I've got a copy of Final Fantasy VIII which my brother bought almost 12 years ago which I can pop in and play on an emulator. I've always feared the idea of classic games becoming completely lost and unavailable, either due to lack of them or lack of archaic technology to play them on.

Take a look around; Donkey Kong, Super Mario Bros, it won't be long before operating systems no longer need to worry about compatibility and emulator makers won't really care enough to keep up.

Perhaps worse is that it is almost a given that OnLive will be a huge success, and while it's full meaning cannot yet be told, a strong guess goes towards the elimination of game CDs altogether. Anyone making use of it will also be severely crippled in what they can do with their games. If I want to pull out my Dragon Age: Origins CD and plonk a fudge dragon right in the center, wash it off, smear it in toothpaste, use it is a floatation device and then try play it again then it's my business.

At this point everything I'm saying is almost purely suspicion and my sixth sense talking, but I personally don't look forward to OnLive. But who knows, it could turn out really well, or nothing could change at all. I was just really bored and decided to write something so I could show my mom, after all.
 
So what you mean is that the game will be streamed like a youtube vid and what will that cost as bandwidth will be far to expansive for such things. It sounds very impractical. I do not like the idea myself.
 
I personally favour physical media far more than just a digital download. Sure it is more expensive, and there are other cons to it, but I don't like forking out a few hundred bucks so that some company can send me a URL to download from. I do upgrade my PC fairly often, and format my hard drive, and not having the physical media present deters me from reinstalling any of my paid for downloaded content.

We'll see how it pans out in the future, but broadband in this country has to come a VERY LOOOONG way before we can stream such media at a reasonable price. But with the competent government behind it, I'm sure we will crack our target in no time!
 
I personally favour physical media far more than just a digital download. Sure it is more expensive, and there are other cons to it, but I don't like forking out a few hundred bucks so that some company can send me a URL to download from. I do upgrade my PC fairly often, and format my hard drive, and not having the physical media present deters me from reinstalling any of my paid for downloaded content.

We'll see how it pans out in the future, but broadband in this country has to come a VERY LOOOONG way before we can stream such media at a reasonable price. But with the competent government behind it, I'm sure we will crack our target in no time!

another impulsive formatter :D.

i agree fully. i prefer to have my actual cd or book and so on, but as for sitting without a means to restore your paid for downloads steam do however offer the ability to write your content to either dvd or hdd.

the worst are those restore-me dvd you get with new pcs or notebooks...
 
So what you mean is that the game will be streamed like a youtube vid and what will that cost as bandwidth will be far to expansive for such things. It sounds very impractical. I do not like the idea myself.

think life without DSL- it has become hard to do so even in south africa and this will work in the states or any other properly developed contry. the thing is they are not concerned with your struggle in 3rd or expensive countries. this works great where they are at so they will not see any issues with it. this is exactly why most games are moving to their own only networks and digital distro are becoming more and more a reality. hec we are even getting our own little steam server which will definitely make some retailers uneasy.
 
Concerning the OP, onLive is still very very far away, there are many issues surounding it and its not going to be adopted widly anytime soon, the overheads for that shit are crazy.

But I dont think its a bad thing, change is always welcome. Things are getting better and faster as for physical media, yeah its nice to have those dvd's but once bandwith becomes cheaper or even free, those dvd's are really just taking up space.
 
think life without DSL- it has become hard to do so even in south africa and this will work in the states or any other properly developed contry. the thing is they are not concerned with your struggle in 3rd or expensive countries. this works great where they are at so they will not see any issues with it. this is exactly why most games are moving to their own only networks and digital distro are becoming more and more a reality. hec we are even getting our own little steam server which will definitely make some retailers uneasy.

I know. If it becomes the norm then all I can say no more games.
 
I'm not sure that OnLive will entirely replace physical media, or at least not for some time. I mean, we've had digital distribution of games, music, and movies around for years already, but anyone can still choose to buy these on disc format. I don't see CDs and DVDs going anywhere fast - I'd imagine retail forces would have something to say about that. :P
 
Concerning the OP, onLive is still very very far away, there are many issues surounding it and its not going to be adopted widly anytime soon, the overheads for that shit are crazy.

But I dont think its a bad thing, change is always welcome. Things are getting better and faster as for physical media, yeah its nice to have those dvd's but once bandwith becomes cheaper or even free, those dvd's are really just taking up space.

Sure, and change would be welcome. It's really too early to tell at this point, my only concern is the lack of physical media. Not too satisfied with plain downloads, as I described.

I'm not sure that OnLive will entirely replace physical media, or at least not for some time. I mean, we've had digital distribution of games, music, and movies around for years already, but anyone can still choose to buy these on disc format. I don't see CDs and DVDs going anywhere fast - I'd imagine retail forces would have something to say about that. :P

True. As I said, sixth sense :P
 
Just read an interesting article on Destructoid about this:

OnLive could be the future of all gaming. One box and no physical games to purchase. While this sounds like my worst nightmare others probably think it's the bee's knees. Thankfully for me and my addiction to holding something in my hands OnLive has been having some issues in Beta concerning lag. I'm sure some of our readers who are in the Beta may have run into the issue. The CEO of OnLive, Steve Perlman, has given the reason for this, and guess what. It's your fault.

"If you change any of these factors, OnLive Beta may not even run, or if it does, the lag and/or graphics performance may render games unplayable. OnLive will try to detect these conditions and warn you, but when you are using OnLive in a different location, you are not providing us with usable test data," he said.

"The reason location is so critical is because of the speed of light. If you are more than 1000 miles from an OnLive data center, then the round trip communications delay ("ping" time) between your home and OnLive will be too long for fast-action video games...

"OnLive has 3 data centers for its US Beta test, with a... 1000-mile range. Your Beta account will only connect to the data center it was originally assigned to. So, if you are assigned to our West Coast data center and then try your Beta account from the Midwest or East Coast, you'll find the lag impaired to the point where most games are unplayable."

Does anyone else feel like that statement is the equivalent of distracting someone with a shiny object while you steal their money? Damn, shiny objects. So hard not to stare at.

If access to OnLive distribution is so strictly determined by location, you can bet it'll not be available outside of the US (and maaaaaaybe UK) for ages. And it's likely to fail unless they change their distribution model once it's live - nobody wants to be tied down to a fixed access location.



http://www.destructoid.com/stop-moving-you-re-creating-onlive-lag-161388.phtml
 
OnLive is going to be a very niche product i think, nice idea but the exection is gonna be freaking hard
 
OnLive is going to be a very niche product i think, nice idea but the exection is gonna be freaking hard

It will be a very long time before it is introduced into our country due to the fact that our Infrastructure just isn't stable enough to sustain a heavy implementation when it comes to Gaming... But I can tell you it will certainly benefit most people however it will cause alot of problems for others especially companies...

Can you imagine going onto your favourite server to play whatever game and getting fired because you spent the entire day playing games :rolleyes:. There are 2 ways to look at it... Firstly how will it benefit the public community of gamers here in SA and what problems do we see arising when such a system does come into play?? :)
 
I personally prefer physical media, but the idea of OnLive makes me excited. I don't feel it will be limiting at all. In fact, quite the opposite. Where in the past one may not have been able to play a game due to hardware limitations, those limitations would no longer exist with OnLive.

Of course, physical media isn't going anywhere for some time to come...especially in South Africa. If it does die out, it will simply be because "the tribe will have spoken" and demand for digital media will have outstripped the demand for physical media. Consumers simply need to be careful that in the process we are not walked over by such companies who could potentially attempt to limit aspects of gameplay, considering they control almost everything in such instances.
 
I personally prefer physical media, but the idea of OnLive makes me excited. I don't feel it will be limiting at all. In fact, quite the opposite. Where in the past one may not have been able to play a game due to hardware limitations, those limitations would no longer exist with OnLive.

Of course, physical media isn't going anywhere for some time to come...especially in South Africa. If it does die out, it will simply be because "the tribe will have spoken" and demand for digital media will have outstripped the demand for physical media. Consumers simply need to be careful that in the process we are not walked over by such companies who could potentially attempt to limit aspects of gameplay, considering they control almost everything in such instances.

I'm not so sure about that. I think that a lot of the computing power will still be kept on the users PC. Perhaps not, and I am not arguing the point, but if all users graphics are rendered serverside, the servers have to be something that even today would make google's server farm cringe. The computing power to handle a potential several million gamers graphics at once will have to be so immense... and EXPENSIVE!

I don't believe it will be viable for companies to go that route, but perhaps they have something else in mind. Printing a cover and stamping a DVD is far cheaper than having super computers with power we can't even begin to imagine today.

The thing that concerns me is how intermittent internet can be - and I don't want my games to be interrupted because I am not online.
 
I personally prefer physical media, but the idea of OnLive makes me excited. I don't feel it will be limiting at all. In fact, quite the opposite. Where in the past one may not have been able to play a game due to hardware limitations, those limitations would no longer exist with OnLive.

Of course, physical media isn't going anywhere for some time to come...especially in South Africa. If it does die out, it will simply be because "the tribe will have spoken" and demand for digital media will have outstripped the demand for physical media. Consumers simply need to be careful that in the process we are not walked over by such companies who could potentially attempt to limit aspects of gameplay, considering they control almost everything in such instances.

+1

I don't have the time right now to write everything that I want to but I generally agree with Lydon's comments.
 
I'm not so sure about that. I think that a lot of the computing power will still be kept on the users PC. Perhaps not, and I am not arguing the point, but if all users graphics are rendered serverside, the servers have to be something that even today would make google's server farm cringe. The computing power to handle a potential several million gamers graphics at once will have to be so immense... and EXPENSIVE!

I don't believe it will be viable for companies to go that route, but perhaps they have something else in mind. Printing a cover and stamping a DVD is far cheaper than having super computers with power we can't even begin to imagine today.

The thing that concerns me is how intermittent internet can be - and I don't want my games to be interrupted because I am not online.

Well, I'm simply going by what they're saying, which is that they'll do everything and will simply need to stream it. Goodness knows how, but if they can pull it off I certainly am not complaining!
 
I'm not so sure about that. I think that a lot of the computing power will still be kept on the users PC. Perhaps not, and I am not arguing the point, but if all users graphics are rendered serverside, the servers have to be something that even today would make google's server farm cringe. The computing power to handle a potential several million gamers graphics at once will have to be so immense... and EXPENSIVE!

I don't believe it will be viable for companies to go that route, but perhaps they have something else in mind. Printing a cover and stamping a DVD is far cheaper than having super computers with power we can't even begin to imagine today.

The thing that concerns me is how intermittent internet can be - and I don't want my games to be interrupted because I am not online.

Well, I'm simply going by what they're saying, which is that they'll do everything and will simply need to stream it. Goodness knows how, but if they can pull it off I certainly am not complaining!

Ok in a sense I have to agree with you both on this one... Firstly your game will be streamed as a Video something like watching say a MW2 game being replayed except you would have full control over that game :)

However the hardware resources currently are extremely limited for us to really expand to a concept of gaming like that, especially here in SA... yeh its damaging but I guess in the long run it will improve... hey you never know we could become the worlds next gaming community to deliver something for the world to really enjoy.
 
Everyone is raising good points, imo. One thing i forgot to mention is the fact that were all games to run on OnLive, you'd be completely dependant upon the internet, which I don't like the concept of.
 
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