I'm done with Starcraft 2.

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Neo

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Okay. The cheesy tactics online and attitude of most people online have completely put me off of this game. To be quite honest here, MOST of the online games are the same. Same cheesy, cheap rushes OVER AND OVER again with the same build orders and general noob tactics.

I know people say "each match is different" but the only thing that changes is that you play against people that either use cheesy tactics or people that don't know them YET.

No thanks. This game is extremely overrated in my opinion.

I'll stick to my FPS / Fighting and Racing games.
 
Meh, same here, atleast when it comes to online games. But the campaign still has a few thousand play throughs left and than there are some of those custom gametype maps that are coming along soon.
 
I've developed a distaste for most online gamers across most online games.

It's as if someone finally opened the floodgates on every smacktard with a pc to live out his alter ego and turn into an A-grade dickhead.

I really miss the old online community of BF2, WoW-before it became a household name and the guild wars bunch.

The only game I have on my pc currently is LOTRO, but I've receded to playing my console offline only - for the last 2 months or so.
 
I just prefer playing offline. No one is swearing at you or calling you names. No one telling you how to play the game. I can go at my own pace and just find it relaxing.
 
Neo dont you think there are still a group of gamers out there who are still a cool bunch. But i have to agree with you about the cheese tactics. I mean seriously it gets boring if i get reaper rushed every single game. And zergling rushed and he will keep his 1 zergling running around to kill workers which is all good and fine but 1 you are just pissing me off and 2nd wasting time.

But there is a lot of retards on online games it would seem. But guys we must also realize that there are a lot of kids out there who will try anything to beat you and thats where the cheap tactics come in. Example. The marathon, lightweight and ninja pro rush on snd in MW2. Which in all honestly is beyond gay.
 
Each game for me has been different, but I'm in the bronze league and playing against people who don't know any decent strategies and tactics. One game I played, a zerg player just made a whole row of spine crawlers and spawned a bunch of Hydralisks. Beat him down rather quickly with Colossi. Anyways... I play 1v1 only and at least then, people don't yell and shout obscenities and insults because you're doing something wrong. Otherwise, I simply ignore. ^_^
 
I never liked the term "cheese". It makes it sound like what the player is doing is immediately a bad thing. Technically, it's a gambit, and a gamble on an opening strategy. It is risky, and if it fails then the cheeser has very often lost the game by wasting time and resources on it. Cheeses are also easy to copy so if you want to stay competitive you have to learn the cheeses and spot them coming. From what I've seen and read on the various sites it is best to have a practice partner and work on beating cheeses, amongst other things.

Anyway, this is probably the best cheese I've ever seen*. It's too funny.

*direct link to SC2 replay file.
 
fridgevr said:
But there is a lot of retards on online games it would seem. But guys we must also realize that there are a lot of kids out there who will try anything to beat you and thats where the cheap tactics come in. Example. The marathon, lightweight and ninja pro rush on snd in MW2. Which in all honestly is beyond gay.
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And beyond legit. Find a counter, each and every feature of the game has one.

Campers: Toob them.
Juggernaught: Toob them
Last Stand: Toob them
P90: Toob them
Toobers: Toob them
The toob rules all, even itself.
 
The higher up in rank and level of play you move, the less "cheese" strategies you will see because of the very high risk you run when using them (all in) and how easy they are to counter when scouted out quickly. Part of getting to those higher ranks though is consistently scouting and identifying these all in maneuvers and then decisively countering them. The only way really to pull it off against a higher tier player is to bluff them, which may or may not work. ie. Let them scout you going a less aggressive build , 2 gate robo, then as soon as they lose vision cancel your robo and switch to 4 gate.

These strategies are super effective at the lower ranks where people tend to not scout, focus far too much on base building, not getting a tier 1 army out ASAP and obviously not yet knowing what the all in strats are and how to counter them.
 
SC2 adds alot to my argument why RTS's should not become mmo's. it's the perfect example of what would happen.

people find one thing that works and off they go using these strats til they're blue in the face.

as i said in the article, it's hard enough to get balance correct in a normal mp rts. but once you add a persistant online war with progression to it, each server will become segregated with each specific army ruling the roost.
 
Surely if people will use the same strategy "till blue in the face" you could easily find a counter?

I'll always start off with some form of a rush. If the person is vulnerable to it I win, if he has prepared then I've already been managing my base to tech up and have 2 siege tanks ready and some more marines to handle his infantry. By that point I'll have to mass up and beat him that way. Sometimes it doesn't work and the other player is faster, but often it does.

Rushes are honestly the easiest things to counter, and once you've killed all their units the lame players won't have anything left. Especially when they build shit right outside your base. I hate the strategy but as soon as you see through it they're finished.

To call it cheap doesn't really work. If it earns a win it earns a win. I'd never let someone mass up to 200 supplies before attacking them. It's all about speed.
 
I lose more games in Starcraft that i win cause i am a noob.... BUT the skirmish games against the A.I. is still fun. Don't see this game taking it's place as one of the best strategy games ever though. My firm favorite is still Company of Heroes.
 
I have to agree with Blackhand and Shamrock...

These strategies are part of the game. Annoying maybe, especially when people try the exact same thing every game, but part of the game nonetheless. Learn to scout for it and see it coming, then it becomes less of a problem. If cheese is beating you, rather think what you could have done to stop it then just stop playing the game completely because of it? No point blaming someone for beating you when he did in fact beat you... regardless of how he did it.
 
Shamrock said:
Surely if people will use the same strategy "till blue in the face" you could easily find a counter?

I'll always start off with some form of a rush. If the person is vulnerable to it I win, if he has prepared then I've already been managing my base to tech up and have 2 siege tanks ready and some more marines to handle his infantry. By that point I'll have to mass up and beat him that way. Sometimes it doesn't work and the other player is faster, but often it does.

Rushes are honestly the easiest things to counter, and once you've killed all their units the lame players won't have anything left. Especially when they build shit right outside your base. I hate the strategy but as soon as you see through it they're finished.

To call it cheap doesn't really work. If it earns a win it earns a win. I'd never let someone mass up to 200 supplies before attacking them. It's all about speed.
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then they just find a new tactic. it's how it works. i will not argue that the more experienced players don't do this. just greater majority of players.
 
fridgevr said:
Neo dont you think there are still a group of gamers out there who are still a cool bunch. But i have to agree with you about the cheese tactics. I mean seriously it gets boring if i get reaper rushed every single game. And zergling rushed and he will keep his 1 zergling running around to kill workers which is all good and fine but 1 you are just pissing me off and 2nd wasting time.

But there is a lot of retards on online games it would seem. But guys we must also realize that there are a lot of kids out there who will try anything to beat you and thats where the cheap tactics come in. Example. The marathon, lightweight and ninja pro rush on snd in MW2. Which in all honestly is beyond gay.
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LoL I guess that makes me gay :p this used to be my favorite class. I stopped playing with it though. Its to easy to kill everyone with this setup. Using clannie perks now with my AK <3
 
Honestly, i do not get why people get so pissed at people who use these strategies. Yes, it's infuriating when it happens to you but it's not like there aren't ways to counter them?

I mean, the other day, i was cannon rushed twice in a row and was raging something terrible but then i realized, hang on, if i had just bothered to scout properly and see what he was up to, i could've countered easily and he would be dead. I mean it's not like he was using h4x or anything. As people have already said, these "cheese" tactics are irritating but are among the easiest to counter if you think about it.

Similar to MW2, where using the tube gets you a bunch of insults. I really do not understand this. It is available to everyone and i am not cheating by using it. If you run around like a chicken with its head cut off, why should i waste my bullets when i can just tube you. But if you move carefully and try to stay behind cover, often tubing doesn't work and gives away the other guys position. I've even heard people raging about certain weapons like the UMP45. So it's a good weapon, who are you to tell me i shouldn't use it? In COD4, the P90.

I guess what I'm trying to say is you cannot expect people to play in a certain way. It is a game and the point is to try and win. I myself don't like using cheese tactics but someone else might and who am i to judge? And who defines what "cheese" tactics are? If you cannot accept that people play in different ways, perhaps single player is better for you?

There is nothing more satisfying than countering a SC2 rush followed by the rage quit :)
 
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I understand the frustration, but like others that have posted, agree that all these cheap tactics are easily countered.

When playing Zerg, wall off your base early and get a few marines out pronto. When playing Protoss, make sure they don't slip a Probe onto your Island, and when playing Terran (Also Protoss), keep at least 10 marines and plant a Siege tank around your resource areas - they are a good counter to most lightweight resource rush tactics (Void Rays, Reapers, Medivac drop, Banshees, Vikings etc). When playing Terran, never underestimate the marine. It's super cheap, attacks everything, is available early on, and can be devastating in numbers, especially with a few upgrades. Iv'e held out against high level unit attacks (Motherships, Carriers, Void Rays, Colossus) with just marines and maybe a few Marauders.

Also, keep building and pushing. If you have more than 500 minerals in the first 5 minutes, you're doing it wrong. And then of course, keep a close eye on you're enemy. Take note of what he is building, and produce units that can counter him.

Those are just a few things I have learned, and I have won about 7 of my last 10 matches by sticking to them, and a few other basic guidelines.

StarCraft II is a deep game, with 100s of different strats. The fun is in learning them, and learning how to counter them. It requires patience, and it can be frustrating, but in my experience, it is an altogether worthwhile experience.
 
^ What RobRoy and Tinman said. Losing is part of the learning experience anyways. After my first 3 games of losing, I pushed out 5 wins right after that. Actually spent time checking out some Yout00b videos and watching my replays.
 
Nope. I'm sticking to my guns. I've been playing DotA for a Looooong time and also sucked in the beginning but I kept going at it and learned the overall basics and started getting a lot better. Unfortunately, SC2 doesn't have the same level of variety like DotA and every game is more or less exactly the same. If I can compare SC2 to DotA it would be like playing a game where your opponents always choose Riki and Bounty Hunter and Clinkz.

So instead of enjoying the game and getting a better knowledge of everything, you spend your time trying to counter these stupid tactics EVERY SINGLE GAME. In other words, because people use these moronic tactics EVERY SINGLE GAME it's stopping me from enjoying an otherwise great game.

Such a flippen pity.

Now - bring me Medal of Honor and Black Ops please! :)
 
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