Philip Seymour Hoffman found dead

addam said:
Perhaps. I'm just basing my comment on the first movie, where I've seen some of the bad CGI. I suppose creating a believable baby must be a difficult task to do for the modelers and animators
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Ja first movie was bad in comparison.

Ag, who knows, cgi is freaking good these days so they will probably be able to get around it and do it well enough, I'm just naturally sceptical.
 
Inn3rs3lf said:
Good actor, but once again if the rumors are true, the Hollywood lifestyle got the better of him. How people can be so selfish is beyond me.
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I agree, Tsar and brendanvb. As a family member and friend of individuals struggling with substance abuse (and as someone who's had their own demons to conquer over the years), I would like to share my opinion, if I may. This is what I wrote in response to a friend of my brother's who was having a bit of a rant on a link he posted on his Facebook timeline about PSH's death. It's not the entire post, she said many ridiculous things before her final comment, but it would be TL;DR otherwise:

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BlackSwan said:
I agree, Tsar and brendanvb. As a family member and friend of individuals struggling with substance abuse (and as someone who's had their own demons to conquer over the years), I would like to share my opinion, if I may. This is what I wrote in response to a friend of my brother's who was having a bit of a rant on a link he posted on his Facebook timeline about PSH's death. It's not the entire post, she said many ridiculous things before her final comment, but it would be TL;DR otherwise:
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Are you Paul█████ or ██████████? Either way, both of those people made very good points, people can be predisposed to addictions and can find it extremely hard or impossible to end them without external intervention and support.
 
I made the last one. Paul is my brother. I just didn't want to post his or his friends names on a public forum. :)
 
BlackSwan said:
I made the last one. Paul is my brother. I just didn't want to post his or his friends names on a public forum. :)
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Haha I know, I was just kidding around :p You write very well, Mr/Miss ██████████ :D
 
While I can agree it is ludicrous to think an addict can just stop his addiction all on his own, they have brought it on themselves unfortunately. Whether you have a predisposition to addiction genetically programmed, that is besides the point and that doesn't automatically absolve all fault for the addict, like a get out of jail free card, "how can you be so harsh on me?".
 
Cicero said:
While I can agree it is ludicrous to think an addict can just stop his addiction all on his own, they have brought it on themselves unfortunately. Whether you have a predisposition to addiction genetically programmed, that is besides the point and that doesn't automatically absolve all fault for the addict, like a get out of jail free card, "how can you be so harsh on me?".
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I think that's a bit narrow-minded, if I'm honest.

There could be a vast array of circumstances that would result in an individual becoming an addict--environmental factors and peer pressure playing two very significant roles, especially at a young age when people are at their most vulnerable.

The willpower develops at a later stage and, for many, even then, they require external help to escape their addictions. I also wonder if the willpower doesn't only have a chance to develop once the initiating circumstances are removed from their lives...

Either way--there isn't a single person on the planet who is immune to falling prey to something they'd claim they'd never do when given the right set of circumstances. It's easy to preach from a different vantage point.
 
Lycanthrope said:
I think that's a bit narrow-minded, if I'm honest.

There could be a vast array of circumstances that would result in an individual becoming an addict--environmental factors and peer pressure playing two very significant roles, especially at a young age when people are at their most vulnerable.

The willpower develops at a later stage and, for many, even then, they require external help to escape their addictions. I also wonder if the willpower doesn't only have a chance to develop once the initiating circumstances are removed from their lives...

Either way--there isn't a single person on the planet who is immune to falling prey to something they'd claim they'd never do when given the right set of circumstances. It's easy to preach from a different vantage point.
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I only say its not a complete absolution of guilt - which is almost implied here.
 
Lycanthrope said:
"They've brought it on themselves" implies that they are primarily at fault. I don't believe that.
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Of course there were outside influences, whatever the external factors, but the fact of the matter is there are probably millions of other people with worse issues or influences who dont end up going down the same path of self destruction. Now people jump on the bandwagon and virtually imply that it was inevitable and he had no choice in the matter. Nope, he made those choices, however influenced.
 
Cicero said:
Of course there were outside influences, whatever the external factors, but the fact of the matter is there are probably millions of other people with worse issues or influences who dont end up going down the same path of self destruction. Now people jump on the bandwagon and virtually imply that it was inevitable and he had no choice in the matter. Nope, he made those choices, however influenced.
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This might come as a shock but not everyone deals with the same situation in the same way. Not everyone is strong-willed, if they were we wouldn't be having this chat.

With the right personality and vulnerabilities, yes, it's inevitable and they don't have very much choice in the matter.

This doesn't apply to everyone but it does apply to many.

People are stupid and do stupid things for any number of reasons. I'll never understand why some people need to make their own mistakes and lack the capacity to learn from the mistakes of others. Yet, at the same time, I realise that that's just life.

I just see absolutely no reason to look at people with these problems with disdain and claim that they brought it on themselves. That might be true for some but certainly not for all.

Sweeping generalisations and black-and-white self-righteous statements made from an ivory tower annoys me and I find very difficult to take seriously.
 


You know whats sad. A lot of brilliant people end up dying from drugs. Scares me that I nearly went down this path myself.
 
Lycanthrope said:
This might come as a shock but not everyone deals with the same situation in the same way. Not everyone is strong-willed, if they were we wouldn't be having this chat.

With the right personality and vulnerabilities, yes, it's inevitable and they don't have very much choice in the matter.

This doesn't apply to everyone but it does apply to many.

People are stupid and do stupid things for any number of reasons. I'll never understand why some people need to make their own mistakes and lack the capacity to learn from the mistakes of others. Yet, at the same time, I realise that that's just life.

I just see absolutely no reason to look at people with these problems with disdain and claim that they brought it on themselves. That might be true for some but certainly not for all.

Sweeping generalisations and black-and-white self-righteous statements made from an ivory tower annoys me and I find very difficult to take seriously.
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Listen, I'm not sitting here all self-righteous, high and mighty, saying its purely his fault. You dont seem to understand that, you seem to think I'm saying its purely his fault. I have a middle ground stance - and I just refuse to accept the view that this guy is basically a saint with no fault and no choice!

The same way that I will not accept that a husband cheating on his wife has no fault or choice, or a rapist, or murderer (to escalate rapidly) - because "not everyone is strong willed".
 
Cicero said:
Listen, I'm not sitting here all self-righteous, high and mighty, saying its purely his fault. You dont seem to understand that, you seem to think I'm saying its purely his fault. I have a middle ground stance - and I just refuse to accept the view that this guy is basically a saint with no fault and no choice!

The same way that I will not accept that a husband cheating on his wife has no fault or choice, or a rapist, or murderer (to escalate rapidly) - because "not everyone is strong willed".
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Now you're comparing drug addiction (something that is inherently self-inflicted) to cheating, rape and murder? Okay then...

One moment you say, "they brought it on themselves" referring to a general group (read: addicts) and the next you reel back in specifically to Hoffman.

I think that this one is doomed to go back and forth, up and down and round and round. So, if you'll excuse me, I'm done.
 
Lycanthrope said:
Now you're comparing drug addiction (something that is inherently self-inflicted) to cheating, rape and murder? Okay then...

One moment you say, "they brought it on themselves" referring to a general group (read: addicts) and the next you reel back in specifically to Hoffman.

I think that this one is doomed to go back and forth, up and down and round and round. So, if you'll excuse me, I'm done.
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Everything is in context to your replies about will-power and upbringing.

But I agree with your final statement at least ;).
 
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