Piracy in South Africa could get your Internet cut off

Wyzak said:
Incorrect. Extra monitoring like this will inevitably result in worse upload and download speeds as well as higher latency.
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wat? no it won't. I'd hate to burst your bubble but it is already monitored. Implications of this would be the data they already have, the authorities would have access to it, so they can prosecute offenders. I'm not saying I agree with it, just saying it wont affect me.
 
MOnk said:
There is a difference between monitoring the type of data and the content of the data. If you are monitoring for copyright infringement it's not enough to just say "oh well this person downloaded something from the pirate bay therefore he must be a pirate", you have to identify exactly what he is downloading and verify that what he is downloading is copyrighted and that the copyright extends to South Africa and that the person does not have permission to do so and is not covered under fair use.
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Yes I don't think any ISPs can be bothered to decrypt data packets to see what info they contain, but it definitely can be done.

With that said, I don't think people will stand for this as it could affect the privacy of personal and business related communication etc and in other words, the privacy of any individual.

Guess we just need to see what happens...
 
Gir said:
wat? no it won't. I'd hate to burst your bubble but it is already monitored. Implications of this would be the data they already have, the authorities would have access to it, so they can prosecute offenders. I'm not saying I agree with it, just saying it wont affect me.
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Like the previous poster said there is a difference between looking at the source and destination IPs of each connection, and looking at the contents of the packets sent between source and destination. For their purposes they will have to do the latter and that will definitely have an affect on your connection's performance whether you are a pirate or not.

You have to ask yourself whether this is really where our governments priorities should be at the moment. Trying to solve first world problems in a third world country.
 
Wyzak said:
Like the previous poster said there is a difference between looking at the source and destination IPs of each connection, and looking at the contents of the packets sent between source and destination. For their purposes they will have to do the latter and that will definitely have an affect on your connection's performance whether you are a pirate or not.

You have to ask yourself whether this is really where our governments priorities should be at the moment. Trying to solve first world problems in a third world country.
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I'm pretty sure, depending on what hardware you're using, certain very high-end routers could have a decryption engine running on it, storing packets in a buffer for it to decrypt in a separate process, not affecting the priority flow of the traffic. But besides that, what it all comes down to is as you say- Should our government really be focusing on this shit? It's like they're just trying to keep themselves busy with bs to look important.
 
to0kenZA said:
I'm pretty sure, depending on what hardware you're using, certain very high-end routers could have a decryption engine running on it, storing packets in a buffer for it to decrypt in a separate process, not affecting the priority flow of the traffic. But besides that, what it all comes down to is as you say- Should our government really be focusing on this shit? It's like they're just trying to keep themselves busy with bs to look important.
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Yes, I also mentioned that before. I'm sure there is hardware available that can do this on the side without affecting the user at all, however most ISPs don't have the funds for that and will go for the cheapest solution which is to just tack it in inline with the normal routing and this will affect your speeds and latency.

Murder, rape, poverty, education etc etc, but they want to focus on piracy instead...
 
Wyzak said:
You have to ask yourself whether this is really where our governments priorities should be at the moment. Trying to solve first world problems in a third world country.
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This doesn't make sense, you making the assumption that this has become the #1 priority for the SA government. With that logic you could say murder is the most important thing so we shouldn't worry about theft. Also I highly doubt this would have any impact on other departments in government.
 
I would like to see the Stats on online Piracy for south africa vs the World
Not only does half the country not have internet , more than half that do have it is at the lowest speed available
So what sort of dent is this making in anything , Put the druggies sitting on the corner road into jail first.

And going back to a point made earlier by someone , depending on how you Download and what most of these are in packets or text files (nzb) split across multiple entry points .Monitoring aside they would have to know what is in these packets illegal or not that's a violation of a good few constitutional rights , unless they can prove it to be part of some crime.

Me Im not ashamed to say that I Download TV shows every damn day, I don't have dstv nor will I pay to watch things that are 1 year old and that are repeated over and over with no real choice in what I want to watch.
This if anything (apart from porn) is what most Internet Downloaders , download . Give us value allow for competition ,and dont try to squeeze every cent out of us (MOFO petrol price) then there will be less sharing .


Like Most anything make it worthwhile and people will pay (of course the pay part must be reasonable too )
 
Gir said:
This doesn't make sense, you making the assumption that this has become the #1 priority for the SA government. With that logic you could say murder is the most important thing so we shouldn't worry about theft. Also I highly doubt this would have any impact on other departments in government.
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True what you say. I don't know what all falls under this department of the government, but why are they not focusing on bettering the economy first before trying to knock it like this. Most ISPs in this country make their money off usage based traffic, and people downloading stuff is actually good for them at the moment :P.


@Venom: I remember, a long time ago there was actually an article on MyGaming that compared piracy percentage of all the countries. If I can recall correctly, Brazil was number one on that list.

I wonder if Mr. James could find it for us? :P
 
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Gir said:
This doesn't make sense, you making the assumption that this has become the #1 priority for the SA government. With that logic you could say murder is the most important thing so we shouldn't worry about theft. Also I highly doubt this would have any impact on other departments in government.
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I understand what you are saying. But then even so, I don't think that Piracy should be the highest priority of the DOC. They should focus on fixed line competition, local loop unbundling, digital TV, the price of broadband, the speed of broadband etc. Once those things have been taken care of then they can focus on piracy.

Piracy also isn't theft, you don't destroy the original copy or deny that person the right to use his item.
 
Wyzak said:
Piracy also isn't theft, you don't destroy the original copy or deny that person the right to use his item.
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:|, I know this, I think everyone on this forum knows this. I used theft as an example.

And I agree with everyone it sucks blah blah blah, but you can't make an argument saying we should ignore this because we have better things to do. There are almost always more important things to look at in regards to almost any aspect to the law. By looking at the less important stuff it doesn't mean the important stuff gets ignored. Currently this is the law, you cant ignore certain laws because we have other things to do.

If you want a change, you need to get the law changed. From the sounds of it people just want to delay it, since I assume it would be fine to have this monitored once we have dealt with the more important stuff? And this is why I believe this sort of argument is counter productive in the long run, since essentially you are admitting it is wrong, but you just don't want the government to do anything about it right now. I think its wrong full stop, I think we need to change how this is handled, not send people to prison for 5 years.
 
Venom said:
I would like to see the Stats on online Piracy for south africa vs the World
Not only does half the country not have internet , more than half that do have it is at the lowest speed available
So what sort of dent is this making in anything , Put the druggies sitting on the corner road into jail first.

And going back to a point made earlier by someone , depending on how you Download and what most of these are in packets or text files (nzb) split across multiple entry points .Monitoring aside they would have to know what is in these packets illegal or not that's a violation of a good few constitutional rights , unless they can prove it to be part of some crime.

Me Im not ashamed to say that I Download TV shows every damn day, I don't have dstv nor will I pay to watch things that are 1 year old and that are repeated over and over with no real choice in what I want to watch.
This if anything (apart from porn) is what most Internet Downloaders , download . Give us value allow for competition ,and dont try to squeeze every cent out of us (MOFO petrol price) then there will be less sharing .


Like Most anything make it worthwhile and people will pay (of course the pay part must be reasonable too )
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+10 to you good sir.
Where are our ALTERNATIVES?
Wait 12-24 months to buy the series/dvd (same time mnet does)?
iTunes not available in SA.

I get so deBLIKSEM in sometimes at the ineptitude of our government. Set up ANOTHER commission to investigate. MORE tax money flush.
 
I agree if they have to call in the milatary to control a strike do they really have the resources and funds to pull it off only time will tell I guess
 
Does South Africa even have the resources and the right personnel to enforce this? Sure ISP can track your data and Also the proposal is giving all the power to ISP to ban users, which means ISP need to spend more resources to enforce law leading to less cost reduction and perhaps higher fees, which is the last thing we need. Which takes out transparency and lack of gov regulation which will lead to gov regulation anyways.

So ISPs will need to call in the police and legal expertise after that to handle it. But the problem is that the police don't have the right training (all they know is how to pull you over and ask for "lunch money"). Gov need to expand the judicial services to handle these case on already over constrained area. Its going to cost millions of money which the budget doesn't have, even to build and finance our roads (and now begging for our e-tolls).

And its the minister of trade and industry that's trying to force this. What happened to DOC?
and What is "collecting structure of collecting societies" what are they going to collect? Fishy, fishy stuff.
 
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