Sequels are good if you do them right - Bioware
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Voicy
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They should know, they did it wrong in DA2.
They also had to watch how Obsidian rushed the ending in the sequel to their Star Wars: Knights of the old Republic
Graal
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No, ME2 was much, much better than ME1 overall.
Edit: Also, don't you mean Mafia part 2, the Godfather 2 game was ridiculously boring.
Patriarch
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LOL you kids these days... I'm talking about the movie, you know, one of the greatest movie trilogies of all time?
And just no, Gears of War is a good game. Mass Effect is a good game. Mixing the two and calling it an RPG = bad game.
Tsar
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Neverwinter nights 2 was so bad.
But yeah sequels can be good but I yearn for a new ip.
Isengard
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I'm sorry, but Mass Effect 2 was magnitudes better than Mass Effect 1. Fact.
Grievous
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Yeah i have to agree with this.
Grievous
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EDIT: Dammit it double posted. Oh well, I will add something more constructive in the second post. Mass effect 2 had better visuals, better combat. The leveling, well that's debatable. I did miss the customization of weapons and amour, but i hear its coming back in 3.
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Graal
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Oh, hehe, but we're discussing games here. You can't blame me for getting confused.
Besides that, I don't fully agree with you on ME2. While the first game's story was much better than the second, the second game made teh gameplay less tedious. Other than the story, there wasn't really anything memorable about ME1 for me.
SephirothDVR
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Neverwinter Nights 2 was and still is a terrible game One of my biggest disappointments, really loved the first game.
I enjoyed both Mass Effect games, they are very different games. Enjoyed the improved shooting of 2 but seriously missed the RPG feel from 1.
If you love shooters (which is prob 99% of gamers) you'll enjoy ME2 more, but there are still a few RPG junkies (like me) out there that enjoyed the first one more. Yes I know ME2 has better graphics etc, but if a game comes out a few years later then those upgrades are the norm. Not saying ME2 is bad, its one of my favourite games, I just enjoyed ME1 more and if ME3 can combine the first two, or even just add a bit more RPG to the game mechanic, I'll be in gaming heaven.
One of my biggest disappointments, really loved the first game.I enjoyed both Mass Effect games, they are very different games. Enjoyed the improved shooting of 2 but seriously missed the RPG feel from 1.
If you love shooters (which is prob 99% of gamers) you'll enjoy ME2 more, but there are still a few RPG junkies (like me) out there that enjoyed the first one more. Yes I know ME2 has better graphics etc, but if a game comes out a few years later then those upgrades are the norm. Not saying ME2 is bad, its one of my favourite games, I just enjoyed ME1 more and if ME3 can combine the first two, or even just add a bit more RPG to the game mechanic, I'll be in gaming heaven.
souluser7
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I agree, Mass Effect 2 was so much better than Mass Effect 1! How can anyone say otherwise :/
Patriarch
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Mmm, interesting...
So what's the main thing that makes ME2 better than the first one?
Is it the completely broken continuity? (Everyone acting like reapers are a myth and the epic space battle at the capital of the galaxy never took place etc.)
The fact that all your skills, stats etc affect pretty much jack shit in the game, and that player skill and reaction times determine everything in an RPG? The all of a sudden having to find fuel and ammo? The crappy (and pretty much mandatory) planet scanning? The Mako being totally gone? Having more planets to explore, but still nothing important on them? The choices you make not changing much in the game, except which team member dies? Or being able to focus more on hawt alien s3xx0rz on board the Normandy MK II than actually caring about saving the galaxy? Or the not being able to assign shortcut keys to important screens, like you could in the first game? Hard to say which new feature is the awesomest...
Mass Effect wasn't much of an RPG, more an action game, but it was good for what it was. Mass Effect 2 just cashed in on that name and became Gears of War in space, not even bothering with any pretense of being an RPG. All of which might still have been forgiven if they hadn't screwed up the story so badly...
Graal
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The Council thought Saren had merely gone rogue and that Sovereign was just a giant ship. I thought that was made reasonably apparent, seeing as that's the key point around which ME2 revolved. The fact that the council still didn't believe them and that Cerberus and Shepard & co were the only ones that knew about the imminent threat. ???
To say that skills and stats didn't affect anything in the game is pretty ignorant, to be honest, seeing as they actually did affect the way you approached combat. Ammo was much better than overheating weapons imo, because it made more sense to me that guns wouldn't be able to fire indefinitely with the only drawback being overheating. Besides that, the overheating thing sucked, because you'd be getting swarmed by enemies and would suddenly have to stop firing or change weapons because the is about to overheat.
Planet scanning sucked, yes, but I'd much rather do that than drive around in a vehicle that defies the laws of physics on copypasta planets with different skills. The removal of planet scanning was a gift, imo. It allowed for much more diverse sidequests (like the one where you need to find a data module on a downed Alliance ship overhanging a giant drop. Side quests in ME1 pretty much all followed the same formula, go to planet, drive mako to secret base or random facility, corridor crawl until you get to a certain character, listen to his sob story, decide whether to kill him or help him, profit. Either that or shooting things while jumping 300 feet into the air because the Mako hit a pebble. The removal of the Mako and its tedious planetary exploration were one of the best things about ME2 for me. The vehicle you drive in the ME2 DLC handles much, much better than the Mako, plus you don't have to drive it every 5 minutes.
The hawt aliens comment is silly, because it's down to the player if he wants to be stupid enough to focus on romancing aliens instead of saving the galaxy. That said, your beloved Dragon Age Origins also allowed you to romance NPCs rather than focusing on saving Ferelden, so I dunno what the problem there is.
Shortcut keys argument is pretty spot on, but didn't make the game unplayable.
ME1 was pretty boring and forgettable, if you ask me. The combat really, really bored the living shit out of me with how tedious and slow-paced it was. I wasn't planning on getting ME2 because I didn't particularly like ME1, but after hearing everybody rave on and on about it I got it. I personally found it to one of my favorite games of 2010. Sure, it didn't really cater for the hardcore RPG market, but it sure catered for the market that likes to focus on enjoying the story without being bogged down by tedious coombat sequences and piss-poor vehicle mechanics.
Edit: And seeing as you're always first in line to yell at how retarded console gamers are and how every second game is 'consolized', I'll take this moment to remind you that ME1 was originally only available on the 360.
To say that skills and stats didn't affect anything in the game is pretty ignorant, to be honest, seeing as they actually did affect the way you approached combat. Ammo was much better than overheating weapons imo, because it made more sense to me that guns wouldn't be able to fire indefinitely with the only drawback being overheating. Besides that, the overheating thing sucked, because you'd be getting swarmed by enemies and would suddenly have to stop firing or change weapons because the is about to overheat.
Planet scanning sucked, yes, but I'd much rather do that than drive around in a vehicle that defies the laws of physics on copypasta planets with different skills. The removal of planet scanning was a gift, imo. It allowed for much more diverse sidequests (like the one where you need to find a data module on a downed Alliance ship overhanging a giant drop. Side quests in ME1 pretty much all followed the same formula, go to planet, drive mako to secret base or random facility, corridor crawl until you get to a certain character, listen to his sob story, decide whether to kill him or help him, profit. Either that or shooting things while jumping 300 feet into the air because the Mako hit a pebble. The removal of the Mako and its tedious planetary exploration were one of the best things about ME2 for me. The vehicle you drive in the ME2 DLC handles much, much better than the Mako, plus you don't have to drive it every 5 minutes.
The hawt aliens comment is silly, because it's down to the player if he wants to be stupid enough to focus on romancing aliens instead of saving the galaxy. That said, your beloved Dragon Age Origins also allowed you to romance NPCs rather than focusing on saving Ferelden, so I dunno what the problem there is.
Shortcut keys argument is pretty spot on, but didn't make the game unplayable.
ME1 was pretty boring and forgettable, if you ask me. The combat really, really bored the living shit out of me with how tedious and slow-paced it was. I wasn't planning on getting ME2 because I didn't particularly like ME1, but after hearing everybody rave on and on about it I got it. I personally found it to one of my favorite games of 2010. Sure, it didn't really cater for the hardcore RPG market, but it sure catered for the market that likes to focus on enjoying the story without being bogged down by tedious coombat sequences and piss-poor vehicle mechanics.
Edit: And seeing as you're always first in line to yell at how retarded console gamers are and how every second game is 'consolized', I'll take this moment to remind you that ME1 was originally only available on the 360.
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Grievous
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Look as you are new to the forum you should maybe try being less of a douche and try have a proper debate. Cause I'm not sure if you want us to answer you question or you just trying to show us your sarcastic wit.
Ellraven
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Yea I feel that fall out las vegas (although awesome) was also rushed. Can't wait for Skyrim.
ME II was outstanding, but I did not get that weird alien unknown feelings from the surroundings and plot as from ME I when Shepard lands on that 1st alien planet and don't know what's going on...
ME II was outstanding, but I did not get that weird alien unknown feelings from the surroundings and plot as from ME I when Shepard lands on that 1st alien planet and don't know what's going on...
afsrav
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According to posts etc, they dropped the ball on DA2. Mass Effect 2 imo was better than the first game (although I have to agree on the planet scanning that became a bit repetitive).
NWN1 I really enjoyed, but NWN2 was a let down for me. I also enjoyed Baldurs Gate: Shadow of Amn over the first one.
NWN1 I really enjoyed, but NWN2 was a let down for me. I also enjoyed Baldurs Gate: Shadow of Amn over the first one.
Grievous
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Haven't played las vegas, just feel its seems like an expansion rather than a full game. I know its a different story and all, but i kind of expect the engine to be updated for a new game. It seems a little dated now.
TheAvenged87
Not Robin
Wait, I liked ME2. That was pretty cool. Haven't played DA2, but a lot of people hate it.