Necuno
The Piper
I'd be damned if programming was this simple as Yes or No; features aren't just simple switches, well some is but most of the time "a button" is a normally more than a few lines of code
Sex and nudity ingame?
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I'd be damned if programming was this simple as Yes or No; features aren't just simple switches, well some is but most of the time "a button" is a normally more than a few lines of code
Xero
Official Zombie Slayer
LOL dude, I come from a game development background, how many commercial titles have you worked on ?
Switches and Arguments are never as simple as that, but for illustrative purposes, would you have preferred I break out actual code?
In Fact you can even limit Sequences loaded by the engine with DRM, you should check it out if you are into Game Dev, been around a while
Switches and Arguments are never as simple as that, but for illustrative purposes, would you have preferred I break out actual code?
In Fact you can even limit Sequences loaded by the engine with DRM, you should check it out if you are into Game Dev, been around a while
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Necuno
The Piper
LOL dude, I come from a game development background, how many commercial titles have you worked on ?
Switches and Arguments are never as simple as that, but for illustrative purposes, would you have preferred I break out actual code?
In Fact you can even limit Sequences loaded by the engine with DRM, you should check it out if you are into Game Dev, been around a while
Hehehe, well you are always more than welcome to take out the code
I wish I can say 1, but for now I do anything concerned with .net and sharepoint (puke puke). I'll check out drm, but it almost feels like you would have to write 2 games instead of one. If it's a mature title, then surely there will be mature content in. If you now implement a Y/N then you would have to write an all ages mature and the normal mature, but why stop there? You could even further split between blood, language, sex, religion etc etc.
I still say that
A) You know what you are buying into or else you are kinda dumb.
B) That the whole point is lost if the game include A,B and C to tell the story and you take out B and C just to feel safe. That was not the original story nor the telling there of.
C) If you are comfortable seeing people being hacked up but can't watch a natural act then there is an issue.
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Necuno
The Piper
Well the whole thing that started the thread was...
Woman gets about 5 minutes to be nude, seductive and sexy.
The man appears under 30 seconds strips shirt and jump in.
would it have been so bad if geralt was fully nude or at least bums ?
The man appears under 30 seconds strips shirt and jump in.
would it have been so bad if geralt was fully nude or at least bums ?
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iNNOS4iNT
As Fatal As Cyanide
The Witcher 2 nudity is fine because... The female (Triss and Ves I think, if I remember correctly) is completely nude, whereas Geralt is only 'chest' nude.
Necuno
The Piper
And a game that features bloody violence ?
OmegaFenix
The Legendary Troll Hunter
I dunno maybe WOMEN? You know the other portion of gamers, you know the ones that don't have penises. Because this ^ attituide is exactly what is wrong in gaming with regards to this topic.
So no Mass Effect, Heavy Rain, God of War, Witcher for you.
I dont think anyone wants a "porn" game and as I said before, as long as its handled tastefully, there is no problem with it. After all nudity is well... natural.
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Cicero
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hahahaha, but they dont exist anway
Lycanthrope
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Gay men too, and straight women specifically
While I doubt that you'd be surprised by this observation, many people are simply terrified of nudity. Many clearly believe it has a negative impact on society and far more so than violent media.
I think it often boils down to feelings of jealousy (is my husband/wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/whatever more attracted to this naked person/image than me?), insecurity or personal feelings of shame and guilt.
Years of social conditioning, usually by very conservative communities tend to have that effect. And we all know how screwed up conservative communities often are and how they negatively impact society at large.
All the same... Nudity FTW. People need to get over themselves. Don't like the media? Don't engage in it.
Although, truth be told, conservatives tend to foster the notion that they need to be told what to do, how to live, what to like and what not to like. So advising "Don't like it, don't watch it" is a lot like telling someone with a chronic addiction (read: obsession) to simply "get over it."
OmegaFenix
The Legendary Troll Hunter
Gay men too, and straight women specifically
While I doubt that you'd be surprised by this observation, many people are simply terrified of nudity. Many clearly believe it has a negative impact on society and far more so than violent media.
I think it often boils down to feelings of jealousy (is my husband/wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/whatever more attracted to this naked person/image than me?), insecurity or personal feelings of shame and guilt.
Years of social conditioning, usually by very conservative communities tend to have that effect. And we all know how screwed up conservative communities often are and how they negatively impact society at large.
All the same... Nudity FTW. People need to get over themselves. Don't like the media? Don't engage in it.
Although, truth be told, conservatives tend to foster the notion that they need to be told what to do, how to live, what to like and what not to like. So advising "Don't like it, don't watch it" is a lot like telling someone with a chronic addiction (read: obsession) to simply "get over it."
Yeah I should have included Gay men. Fail Omega.
Yeah, I think people are just too scared of nudity. Obviously within reason, if I see some chic on the train with her jugs hanging out I will be slightly put off but like you said that is more due to growing up in conservative society than any lack of Boob love on my part.
Fivel
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Allow folk their personal preference -whether you like it/understand it/or not is hardly relevant.
Lycanthrope
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See, the difference is that in the public space, nudity is frowned upon for good reason. Nobody wants to see a stranger's goods dangling out in front of them. Unless, of course, they're a particularly attractive stranger. But even then, I think it's simply a matter of common decency and respect for each other.
However, if you look at any of those pictures of people who frequent Walmart or whatever the UK equivalent is, "common decency and respect for each other" took a leap long ago; many people skirt to realms of nudity to within inches of outright explosive gratuity.
My argument is that when it comes to media, there is a choice whether to consume that media or not. We should always be free to choose; developers/producers should be free to explore and implement these things if and when they feel like it without being attacked, harassed, protested against or otherwise "boycotted" by right-wing nutjobs who, frankly, would never have consumed that media to begin with.
The problem is when governments pick up on this shit and want to intervene (read: censor) because, clearly, certain people who decided to nail each other and call themselves "parents" are unfit for the role and require government and national censorship boards to raise their children on their behalf.
Well, that's precisely what I'm arguing: choice and the freedom to make that choice without being savaged by malcontents for doing so.
Fivel
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Somewhat related to this discussion http://critdamage.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/quit-pretending-there-isnt-videogame.html
OmegaFenix
The Legendary Troll Hunter
I disagree, people seem to read way too much into that Hitman Trailer. This wasn't some Grand Theft Auto trailer where the player can attack random women or use hookers and then kill them to get money back. While I agree that religious groups may find it offensive I personally found all the violence in the trailer completely justified the moment I saw the Agency tattoo on the one nun and those spike heal shoes.
Jagtiger
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I agree with people on personal choice.
Game should implement feature "offending/explicit content: on/off" (or at least have skip/pause menu enabled).
On personal note, such content must viewed privately. It is related to fact that people around can be offended in case of people living not alone.
Game should implement feature "offending/explicit content: on/off" (or at least have skip/pause menu enabled).
On personal note, such content must viewed privately. It is related to fact that people around can be offended in case of people living not alone.
MOnk
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While I'm not against sex and nudity in principle, I've rarely seen instances where it felt natural and warranted.
Mass Effect 1 and 2 did this well.
In ME1 you really had to spend a lot of time talking to and listening to your paramour before they actually engaged with you and even then it happened at the 'right' moment in the story as your character is about to enter a situation beyond anything anyone has experienced and survived. The scene itself was very tasteful, yet suggestive, allowing you fill in the rest with your imagination.
ME2 this was also very natural and well done, also requiring you spend a lot of time with this person and helping them with something very personal and dear to their hearts, building a very strong bond. The scene itself (I went with Tali) was very tender and personal, also leaving it mostly to your imagination.
ME3 just got it all wrong. I was femshep and 'romanced' the receptionist chick (can't even remember her name), which literally involved me talking to her twice and then at my convenience asking her up to my cabin for a booty call where we awkwardly both jump into the shower semi/fully clothed and then lie on the bed in underwear. The entire thing felt juvenile and out of place.
The scene from the Witcher 2 was also strange in that here is Triss completely naked and Geralt jumps out of bed with his pants on, like what?
Dragon Age 1 romance was so-so, also felt a little 'spin the bottle' rather than adult. Also as a straight man I felt a little awkward having that gay/bisexual elf dude in my group, not necessarily because of his sexual orientation but it just seemed like he was always hitting on me, which wasn't appreciated.
So it really does depend on the exact instance rather than just general principle, and devs are often too quick to go to the sex button (not dirty!) way too quickly when they try to make their game more 'mature'.
Mass Effect 1 and 2 did this well.
In ME1 you really had to spend a lot of time talking to and listening to your paramour before they actually engaged with you and even then it happened at the 'right' moment in the story as your character is about to enter a situation beyond anything anyone has experienced and survived. The scene itself was very tasteful, yet suggestive, allowing you fill in the rest with your imagination.
ME2 this was also very natural and well done, also requiring you spend a lot of time with this person and helping them with something very personal and dear to their hearts, building a very strong bond. The scene itself (I went with Tali) was very tender and personal, also leaving it mostly to your imagination.
ME3 just got it all wrong. I was femshep and 'romanced' the receptionist chick (can't even remember her name), which literally involved me talking to her twice and then at my convenience asking her up to my cabin for a booty call where we awkwardly both jump into the shower semi/fully clothed and then lie on the bed in underwear. The entire thing felt juvenile and out of place.
The scene from the Witcher 2 was also strange in that here is Triss completely naked and Geralt jumps out of bed with his pants on, like what?
Dragon Age 1 romance was so-so, also felt a little 'spin the bottle' rather than adult. Also as a straight man I felt a little awkward having that gay/bisexual elf dude in my group, not necessarily because of his sexual orientation but it just seemed like he was always hitting on me, which wasn't appreciated.
So it really does depend on the exact instance rather than just general principle, and devs are often too quick to go to the sex button (not dirty!) way too quickly when they try to make their game more 'mature'.
OmegaFenix
The Legendary Troll Hunter
With regards to the on/off feature It is my personal opinion that if sexual content is handled correctly switching it off or skipping it would break the story. If, like COD, they give you the option it means that the content your skipping isn't all that important to the game, so why was it included; shock value and any content that is added purely for shock value is content better left out.
As for the content being viewed privately; I am a firm believer if you want me to respect your right to not viewing such content then please respect my right to view it. So lets say I am playing something with heavy sexual themes and I have a conservative room mate I would simply warm them and then it was their choice whether to fuck off or not. I have a similar outlook on religion, if I have to respect your religious views please respect my views, something very few religious groups can manage.
OmegaFenix
The Legendary Troll Hunter
Thoughts on the nudity Heavy Rain?