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Weasley
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Ya almost double the next person. shows they working 100%
mottamort
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Regardless, it fills me with hope knowing that ferrari put in a time 2 seconds faster than last years pole time
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End of the day timesheets and lap counts for Test 1, Day 2:
Top time for Vettel and Ferrari again, faster than Day 1. Most teams managed at least a full race distance (66 laps), with many going over 100 laps in the day. Rosberg took the Merc around for almost 3 Grands Prix! Great to see the Red Bull up again, and despite finishing P9 only, Alonso and the McLaren seemed to have had a decent day too. Still early days, but good to see that the teams seem to have conquered the bulk of the reliability issues that plagued the 1st Test last season. As [MENTION=2530]Wyvern[/MENTION] suggested though, I wouldn't read too much into the times yet.
And in other news: F1 teams agree elimination style qualifying for 2016 http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-teams-agree-elimination-style-qualifying-for-2016-675278/
Top time for Vettel and Ferrari again, faster than Day 1. Most teams managed at least a full race distance (66 laps), with many going over 100 laps in the day. Rosberg took the Merc around for almost 3 Grands Prix! Great to see the Red Bull up again, and despite finishing P9 only, Alonso and the McLaren seemed to have had a decent day too. Still early days, but good to see that the teams seem to have conquered the bulk of the reliability issues that plagued the 1st Test last season. As [MENTION=2530]Wyvern[/MENTION] suggested though, I wouldn't read too much into the times yet.
And in other news: F1 teams agree elimination style qualifying for 2016 http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-teams-agree-elimination-style-qualifying-for-2016-675278/
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Weasley
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Well, looks like I'm in for another season full of disappointment
why?
MalicE
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judging by those test times it seems they still haven't sorted out our engine
Don't judge by those test times, you'll never get a realistic read on performance. The only thing we can infer is reliability from the number of laps run.
MalicE
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true. that looks a bit more promising at least
Wyvern
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Im not loving the stupidity behind the new qualifying but at least its better than a reverse grid. . . .
Mercedes' W-floor, end of the bargeboard?
By Steven De Groote on 23 Feb 2016, 14:33
Having completed more than the targeted mileage on the first day of testing, and actually topping their mileage record from any test session since the introduction of the current engine regulations, Mercedes are again one step ahead of the competition as they have already started to add new aerodynamic components on their car, a single day after the W07 debut.
Named the W-floor by Mercedes, the area ahead of the sidepod now features a number of serrated horizontal and vertical panes, all aimed at directing or contioning airflow towards the rear of the car. The more conventional layout here is to have a barge board, which is a solid vertically standing panel that guides air away from the centreline of the car, and around the sidepods. The thing is that with sidepod undercuts becoming so thorough and smooth, that there is less need for such a panel, forcing teams into the investigation of other things to put in this - largely unregulated - area.
So, instead of pushing air outboard, the 6 new panels allow for air to bleed through the system, into the low pressure area that is behind the "combined bargeboard". The interesting bit here is that each vertical panel attached to a seperate forward extension of the floor. And just like with the vertical items, this used to be a single, continuous panel of carbon fibre.
However, as air is flowing outboard in this area, the slight curve in the floor extensions help "fetch" some of that air, and push it underneath the floor, where it will be worked further downstream by the diffuser to create efficient downforce all over the car's floor.
Judging the complexity of the elements, it looks unlikely that many teams will be able to copy this rapidly, but one can wonder if this is the beginning of the end for the traditional barge boards that have existing on F1 cars for numerous years.
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Mercedes' W-floor, end of the bargeboard?
By Steven De Groote on 23 Feb 2016, 14:33
Having completed more than the targeted mileage on the first day of testing, and actually topping their mileage record from any test session since the introduction of the current engine regulations, Mercedes are again one step ahead of the competition as they have already started to add new aerodynamic components on their car, a single day after the W07 debut.
Named the W-floor by Mercedes, the area ahead of the sidepod now features a number of serrated horizontal and vertical panes, all aimed at directing or contioning airflow towards the rear of the car. The more conventional layout here is to have a barge board, which is a solid vertically standing panel that guides air away from the centreline of the car, and around the sidepods. The thing is that with sidepod undercuts becoming so thorough and smooth, that there is less need for such a panel, forcing teams into the investigation of other things to put in this - largely unregulated - area.
So, instead of pushing air outboard, the 6 new panels allow for air to bleed through the system, into the low pressure area that is behind the "combined bargeboard". The interesting bit here is that each vertical panel attached to a seperate forward extension of the floor. And just like with the vertical items, this used to be a single, continuous panel of carbon fibre.
However, as air is flowing outboard in this area, the slight curve in the floor extensions help "fetch" some of that air, and push it underneath the floor, where it will be worked further downstream by the diffuser to create efficient downforce all over the car's floor.
Judging the complexity of the elements, it looks unlikely that many teams will be able to copy this rapidly, but one can wonder if this is the beginning of the end for the traditional barge boards that have existing on F1 cars for numerous years.
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Ja, it looks like the bargeboard is a pretty significant well of untapped potential, and if Merc are jumping in there long before other teams, it doesn't bode well for the competitiveness of the sport.
Also, new quali? What did I miss?!
mottamort
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Wait what? Whats new with qualifying...I missed something, didn't I.
Weasley
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Im not loving the stupidity behind the new qualifying but at least its better than a reverse grid. . . .
Mercedes' W-floor, end of the bargeboard?
By Steven De Groote on 23 Feb 2016, 14:33
Having completed more than the targeted mileage on the first day of testing, and actually topping their mileage record from any test session since the introduction of the current engine regulations, Mercedes are again one step ahead of the competition as they have already started to add new aerodynamic components on their car, a single day after the W07 debut.
Named the W-floor by Mercedes, the area ahead of the sidepod now features a number of serrated horizontal and vertical panes, all aimed at directing or contioning airflow towards the rear of the car. The more conventional layout here is to have a barge board, which is a solid vertically standing panel that guides air away from the centreline of the car, and around the sidepods. The thing is that with sidepod undercuts becoming so thorough and smooth, that there is less need for such a panel, forcing teams into the investigation of other things to put in this - largely unregulated - area.
So, instead of pushing air outboard, the 6 new panels allow for air to bleed through the system, into the low pressure area that is behind the "combined bargeboard". The interesting bit here is that each vertical panel attached to a seperate forward extension of the floor. And just like with the vertical items, this used to be a single, continuous panel of carbon fibre.
However, as air is flowing outboard in this area, the slight curve in the floor extensions help "fetch" some of that air, and push it underneath the floor, where it will be worked further downstream by the diffuser to create efficient downforce all over the car's floor.
Judging the complexity of the elements, it looks unlikely that many teams will be able to copy this rapidly, but one can wonder if this is the beginning of the end for the traditional barge boards that have existing on F1 cars for numerous years.
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intresting. thanks for sharing
Wyvern
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F1 teams agree elimination style qualifying for 2016
By: Jonathan Noble, Formula 1 Editor
Yesterday at 7:04pm
Formula 1 teams have agreed to the introduction of a radical elimination style qualifying format as part of a move to improve the show.
After hours of discussion in Geneva between team bosses and F1 chiefs regarding future ideas, sources have revealed that some proposals gained support.
One of them is for an elimination style of qualifying, where the slowest car at certain segments is eliminated.
Although details of the new qualifying format have not been set in stone, sources have revealed that an outline agreement is in place for the system.
The rule change idea still needs approval by the FIA's World Motor Sport Council next month, but it is understood that the plan is to have it come in as early as this year.
The concept will now be looked at in detail by sporting directors - which could expose previously unforeseen problems that make it unworkable.
One team insider did suggest, however, that the change to the format would not actually be that big a revolution as it sounds.
"I'm currently struggling to see how this changes how we operate as the tyres are generally only good for one hard lap," he said. "So we won't be driving around on sub-optimal tyres."
How it works
An outline proposal for the elimination qualifying was discussed.
Q1
-16 minutes duration;
- After 7 minutes, the slowest driver is eliminated;
- Slowest driver eliminated every 1 minute 30 seconds thereafter until the chequered flag;
- 7 drivers eliminated, 15 progress to Q2.
Q2
- 15 minutes duration;
- After 6 minutes, slowest driver eliminated;
- Slowest driver eliminated every 1 minute 30 seconds thereafter until the chequered flag;
- 7 drivers eliminated, 8 progress to Q3.
Q3
- 14 minutes;
- After 5 minutes, slowest driver eliminated;
- Slowest driver eliminated every 1 minute 30 seconds thereafter until the chequered flag;
- 2 drivers left in final 1 minute 30 seconds.
Time ballast
The F1 Commission also discussed a penalty system whereby extra time is added to each drivers' qualifying time on the basis of championship positions.
A study was conducted using the 2015 Abu Dhabi GP with the championship leader having four seconds added to his qualifying time, with everyone else taking extra time on a sliding scale.
It is understood that this could have been combined with the elimination system, but it is not believed to have gathered the necessary support.
Bodywork delay
Teams have also agreed to delay a final decision on 2017 bodywork rules until April 30, as teams chase a rules solution that will deliver a much-desired speed improvement.
Also discussed was the potential abandonment of the 100kgs fuel limit from 2017 on the basis that the faster cars will require more fuel to run at their fuel potential.
McLaren and Red Bull were reportedly in favour of such a move, but it was not passed. The more likely compromise will be a 105kgs limit.
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By: Jonathan Noble, Formula 1 Editor
Yesterday at 7:04pm
Formula 1 teams have agreed to the introduction of a radical elimination style qualifying format as part of a move to improve the show.
After hours of discussion in Geneva between team bosses and F1 chiefs regarding future ideas, sources have revealed that some proposals gained support.
One of them is for an elimination style of qualifying, where the slowest car at certain segments is eliminated.
Although details of the new qualifying format have not been set in stone, sources have revealed that an outline agreement is in place for the system.
The rule change idea still needs approval by the FIA's World Motor Sport Council next month, but it is understood that the plan is to have it come in as early as this year.
The concept will now be looked at in detail by sporting directors - which could expose previously unforeseen problems that make it unworkable.
One team insider did suggest, however, that the change to the format would not actually be that big a revolution as it sounds.
"I'm currently struggling to see how this changes how we operate as the tyres are generally only good for one hard lap," he said. "So we won't be driving around on sub-optimal tyres."
How it works
An outline proposal for the elimination qualifying was discussed.
Q1
-16 minutes duration;
- After 7 minutes, the slowest driver is eliminated;
- Slowest driver eliminated every 1 minute 30 seconds thereafter until the chequered flag;
- 7 drivers eliminated, 15 progress to Q2.
Q2
- 15 minutes duration;
- After 6 minutes, slowest driver eliminated;
- Slowest driver eliminated every 1 minute 30 seconds thereafter until the chequered flag;
- 7 drivers eliminated, 8 progress to Q3.
Q3
- 14 minutes;
- After 5 minutes, slowest driver eliminated;
- Slowest driver eliminated every 1 minute 30 seconds thereafter until the chequered flag;
- 2 drivers left in final 1 minute 30 seconds.
Time ballast
The F1 Commission also discussed a penalty system whereby extra time is added to each drivers' qualifying time on the basis of championship positions.
A study was conducted using the 2015 Abu Dhabi GP with the championship leader having four seconds added to his qualifying time, with everyone else taking extra time on a sliding scale.
It is understood that this could have been combined with the elimination system, but it is not believed to have gathered the necessary support.
Bodywork delay
Teams have also agreed to delay a final decision on 2017 bodywork rules until April 30, as teams chase a rules solution that will deliver a much-desired speed improvement.
Also discussed was the potential abandonment of the 100kgs fuel limit from 2017 on the basis that the faster cars will require more fuel to run at their fuel potential.
McLaren and Red Bull were reportedly in favour of such a move, but it was not passed. The more likely compromise will be a 105kgs limit.
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Couldnt agree more. Reverse grids would be mega kak. I also don't think messing with Qualifying is needed - it's the races that need attention to avoid becoming boring and uninteresting with zero overtaking and no close racing. If they really want to get the teams more excited about Quali and generate some fan enthusiasm for it, this is not the way to go, imo. Do a 30 minute, same single set of tyres sprint race, with points for the top 5 and the sprint race finish position determining race grid. Or something.
Very idiotic indeed.
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