This is what designers and programmers actually earn in South Africa

As a QA Tester, I am way under that. And our devs are way, way over those brackets. Though I'm hoping my now UXD certification increases my chances (though unlikely).
 
BeoTeK said:
As a QA Tester, I am way under that. And our devs are way, way over those brackets. Though I'm hoping my now UXD certification increases my chances (though unlikely).
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Looking at the company I work for now the mid-levels across the board seem a bit low, but the senior and entry looks close to spot-on.

Edit: Sorry. I was cockeye reading the table. Looking at the large agencies columns, the entry and mid pretty much matches where I work while the senior is a bit low.
 
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Mister 44 said:
Looking at the company I work for now the mid-levels across the board seem a bit low, but the senior and entry looks close to spot-on.

Edit: Sorry. I was cockeye reading the table. Looking at the large agencies columns, the entry and mid pretty much matches where I work while the senior is a bit low.
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Put it this way, we have some team managers earning 60-80+ while I sit sub 20. While we have other developers who, and I quote from my manager, "we could afford three of you (meaning myself) for one of them". And yet even I am shocked at the quality of work that gets delivered.

/end rant
 
BeoTeK said:
Put it this way, we have some team managers earning 60-80+ while I sit sub 20. While we have other developers who, and I quote from my manager, "we could afford three of you (meaning myself) for one of them". And yet even I am shocked at the quality of work that gets delivered.

/end rant
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Next time your manager says that, lean over and in a sexy voice ask: "Would you like three of me?"
 
Mister 44 said:
Next time your manager says that, lean over and in a sexy voice ask: "Would you like three of me?"
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Funny story. When I left my old job I was told "You're difficult to replace, but I'm sure we can outsource what you do"

Outsource they did, it cost them 3 Engineers (Storage, Linux and Network) and 8 x Admins (2 x Storage Admins, 2x Linux Admins and 4 x Network Admins) to emulate what I did. Ended up costing them more that it would have cost to just meet my overdue salary increase. They're considering bringing me back, but i'm at least R10k pm more expensive than what I was when I left and I have a couple of very specific requirements now.
 
PsychoFish said:
Funny story. When I left my old job I was told "You're difficult to replace, but I'm sure we can outsource what you do"

Outsource they did, it cost them 3 Engineers (Storage, Linux and Network) and 8 x Admins (2 x Storage Admins, 2x Linux Admins and 4 x Network Admins) to emulate what I did. Ended up costing them more that it would have cost to just meet my overdue salary increase. They're considering bringing me back, but i'm at least R10k pm more expensive than what I was when I left and I have a couple of very specific requirements now.
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by that logic even if they brought you back and gave you the 10k they would be saving well over 100k per month?
 
Mister 44 said:
Next time your manager says that, lean over and in a sexy voice ask: "Would you like three of me?"
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I showed him this article this morning and he pointed out that as a QA Manager he doesn't even earn what that survey shows for a tester.

To which I replied, "so you earn marginally more than I do?", he nodded.
 
InSanity said:
by that logic even if they brought you back and gave you the 10k they would be saving well over 100k per month?
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You underestimate the power of using Indian based outsourcing companies. They "serve" network engineers at less than $1k USD per month
 
PsychoFish said:
You underestimate the power of using Indian based outsourcing companies. They "serve" network engineers at less than $1k USD per month
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Exactly, the company I worked for closed 2 or 3 sites and moved support of to India, they even admitted it without missing a beat, "We can afford more ppl in India than *insert country name here*"

I was kinda stunned, I mean I know about the business practice, but to mention it like it was nothing gaught me off guard. I am a lowly tech support guy and that was mentioned at a global meeting we had with various sites around the world.

Some recent stuff has happened that has made me uneasy about my own position too...
 
VirtualForce said:
Exactly, the company I worked for closed 2 or 3 sites and moved support of to India, they even admitted it without missing a beat, "We can afford more ppl in India than *insert country name here*"

I was kinda stunned, I mean I know about the business practice, but to mention it like it was nothing gaught me off guard. I am a lowly tech support guy and that was mentioned at a global meeting we had with various sites around the world.

Some recent stuff has happened that has made me uneasy about my own position too...
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I have little to no issue with outsourcing certain roles, some are more difficult than others and it really depends on the company, etc ect.

Take desktop support. Having an on-site person means your turn-around time between reporting an issue and getting someone at your desk might be very low. With an outsourced partner this might very well mean that your issue gets put into a queue and the person will come on site if needed as soon as possible. This could be hours, this could be days. This usually ends in tears when the director's laptop decides to crap out minutes before a huge presentation and he has to wait 2-3 hours for someone to arrive on site to begin trying to sort it out.

The flipside is systems administration. You don't need to be physically present for many of the tasks. Plenty of tasks can be automated and an even larger number of tasks are not time intensive. Things like "Create a user account", "Add more drive space", etc etc...

However you still need someone (generally Engineers / Senior Admins and/or Architects) to ultimately go "Why the hell have you expanded storage for this server 3 times in the last month?". Your outsourced admin (especially them Indians) will just do whatever is asked of them, no questions asked.
 
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