Graal
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Haha, I always say you can live short and eat well or you can be miserable for a few years longer.
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Haha, I always say you can live short and eat well or you can be miserable for a few years longer.
Lycanthrope
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Yep. I figure I'm going to die regardless of what I do. I'll do my best (in a reasonable manner) to extend my life as much as I can. But not at the expense of the quality of my life.
Fivel
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I'm not offended by your swearing, if you go back to my post that started this all, I questioned whether you using swear words was necessary - you could have made that point just as well without them IMHO.
So let's examine how I've interpreted your posts as you seem to want to wave your middle finger at the world. Whether you agree with it or not there is a level of decency that exists, in general the swear words are not used in decent company, but in your world you seem to think it's fine to swear no matter who you are with i.e. in front of friends, family, significant others and I suppose eventually in front of you kids - as swear words are 'not' offensive. Well good luck with that. Let's say if you continue to swear, at will, at your work place, in front of clients etc and see how far that gets you - my guess is jobless very quickly.
So per your analysis, people must wise up and not be offended - seems a very selfish approach you are taking to fit your worldly outlook, but maybe you are trying to help us be less offended by swearing even more?
Fivel
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I'm not advocating censorship at all and thank you for providing me with a different perspective to consider.
Lycanthrope
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I'm curious. Would you have preferred if he'd said, "Screw you, Microsoft?" If so, then I need to ask why you feel that way because, essentially, the meaning is precisely the same.
This is something that grated me a lot as a kid. There were always these, often religious, kids around me who would insist on saying, "Oh my gosh" or "Oh, sherbet!" or some other ironically juxtaposed phrase despite the meaning remaining intact based, if nothing else, on the fact that they're emulating the original phrases to express an identical emotion.
Urgh... This grates me. It's almost as though you're implying that if I swear in front of my family or that if they do so as well, that neither my family nor I are "decent" which is an accusation I'd happily challenge.
I have absolutely no problem with swearwords and my family (immediate as well as married) are exceptionally well-mannered, courteous, kind and "decent" people. However, swearwords are not seen as antagonistic, hostile, provocative or in any way offensive.
Of course it's not as though every single sentence is loaded with a swearword.
Scandinavia, for example, is very relaxed about swearwords. There isn't the same stigma about it here--another reason why I'm more and more inclined to find the aversion to swearwords so ridiculous. It's not uncommon to hear swearwords on the radio or on TV at a "normal" time.
I didn't realise that social forums required a modicum of professionalism about them
But I know what you mean. It's not as though you'll pick up the phone, call tech support and have them initiate swearing, but if you initiate it then they realise it's "okay" and are happy to partake.
It's not a black and white thing--you're hardly going to be teaching your children to swear but you're not going to pretend as though swearwords don't exist. Teach them why it's impolite to swear but don't plead ignorance.
But that's another thing that I find so bizarre... it's as though even here, society is still struggling to shake loose the bonds that condition us into believing it's somehow "wrong" to swear.
Whether I bump my big toe against the corner of a table and shout "Potato!" or whether I shout "Bugger!" the meaning and emotion remains intact. It's just a word.
Selfish? I completely disagree. Forcing your sensibilities onto others is selfish.
Oh, I'm always happy to ramble and if once in a while I say something interesting then at least I've done something kind of right
But all-in-all, this conversation has excited my thoughts about "decency."
Like, it's indecent to spit in the street; it's indecent to waltz around public a raving drunk; it's indecent to litter; it's indecent to urinate or defecate in public.
However, it's all largely seen as "indecent" because it's unhygienic, harmful or dangerous.
Whereas the same can't quite be said for swearing because, like any words, it's how you use them.
And, of course, regarding the concept of simply "taking offence" we can look at the Danish caricaturist who drew Mohammed and the violent backlash received from that--as though there is any finer example of the dangers of simply allowing "offence" to be a tolerated excuse for censorship and societal control.
Lycanthrope
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No, sorry, it's just my own curiosity and I'd like to hear your thoughts from "my" perspective.
Plus, I figure Graal would reply in the usual hostile fashion
/runs from Graal's vicious eyeball!
Fivel
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No, sorry, it's just my own curiosity and I'd like to hear your thoughts from "my" perspective.
Plus, I figure Graal would reply in the usual hostile fashion
/runs from Graal's vicious eyeball!
Cool late now will do tomorrow.
Lycanthrope
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Graal
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But I chose not to. The fact that you questioned my use of the word 'fuck' shows that you did not approve. You would not have questioned it had I said "Microsoft and Square Enix, I am not very fond of you."
And I'm questioning the logic of this. I'm still waiting for you to give me a reason why swearing is offensive that doesn't boil down to "It's just the way it is" or "That's what I've been taught my whole life." I honestly see no logical reason why profanity is so unacceptable. It is, once again, something that is seen as unacceptable because "it just is." People hate profanity because that's what they're told to do. They don't even spend a minute thinking about why they're supposed to find the words offensive.
Fivel
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Somewhere, somehow these words were deemed offensive so at least acknowledge that, you can't undo the history.So while this makes no sense to many it is what it is.
After some self reflection, I'll admit that I am sensitive to swearing, I believe their use can be avoided, but I also now understand that there is a degree of comfort by many to swearing.
So while movies, tv programs have L ratings to indicate swearing etc, it does somehow suggest that there is a level at which swearing is not acceptable.
All I'm asking is that there is some consideration giving to both sides ie some (me) needs to be less sensitive and you perhaps needs to be a little more sensitive? Maybe unfair to ask, but I'll ask anyway.
Lycanthrope
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Did you two sleep at all? Yeesh!
We're learned creatures, aren't we, so we can learn to understand the beast of the unknown and loose its control over us.
Look how many different things are seen as "offensive" in the Middle East and in other conservative societies. I don't think there's any part of the world better able to teach us precisely what's wrong with simply taking offence "because." And as Graal says, just because you were conditioned to find certain things offensive doesn't mean that you should.
We have the capacity to learn... And if the nutters in the Middle East and those like them could at least do that much, the world would be a significantly better place.
In other news: Just finished Saints Row IV. Great game. Excellent pop-culture humour. KEITH DAVID!
We're learned creatures, aren't we, so we can learn to understand the beast of the unknown and loose its control over us.
Look how many different things are seen as "offensive" in the Middle East and in other conservative societies. I don't think there's any part of the world better able to teach us precisely what's wrong with simply taking offence "because." And as Graal says, just because you were conditioned to find certain things offensive doesn't mean that you should.
We have the capacity to learn... And if the nutters in the Middle East and those like them could at least do that much, the world would be a significantly better place.
In other news: Just finished Saints Row IV. Great game. Excellent pop-culture humour. KEITH DAVID!
Lycanthrope
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Haven't played it yet
Tsar
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Haven't played it yet
It looks fun I didn't touch the second one.
mottamort
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well..that was a fun read.
If you don't find swearing offensive then surely by the same logic of "its not harmful or unhygienic" do you walk around naked in public? That's indecent...to me they're in the same boat. it comes down to culture. So "it just is" and "we've been taught that since we were young" are 100% VALID. We're taught not to steal, or slap other kids when they are being tits.
If you are saying its no different to saying "oh sherbet" or "oh my gosh" why the narrowmindedness to insist on using that word if it has no meaning. Aren't you yourself giving it meaning by insisting on using it as often as you can as opposed to using one of its synonyms? You're basically confinig yourself to a small section of this wonderfully descriptive language.
(sits back and waits for the flames to spread)
If you don't find swearing offensive then surely by the same logic of "its not harmful or unhygienic" do you walk around naked in public? That's indecent...to me they're in the same boat. it comes down to culture. So "it just is" and "we've been taught that since we were young" are 100% VALID. We're taught not to steal, or slap other kids when they are being tits.
If you are saying its no different to saying "oh sherbet" or "oh my gosh" why the narrowmindedness to insist on using that word if it has no meaning. Aren't you yourself giving it meaning by insisting on using it as often as you can as opposed to using one of its synonyms? You're basically confinig yourself to a small section of this wonderfully descriptive language.
(sits back and waits for the flames to spread
)
Tsar
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My reason/excuses for not being a regular contributor this year:
I have done very little gaming.
Work. In effect, I got a R100 decrease this year, so I am throwing the kitchen sink at my job. [Having a new H.O.D. as of 1st August certainly helps!]
I don't really enjoy posting here anymore. Not much activity.
MetalSoup
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I think that's how most of us feel, which is probably why there isn't much activity.
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