Tollgate Petition in Gauteng
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OmegaFenix
The Legendary Troll Hunter
If they dont remove that tollroad we wont use the road.... :S
Grimspoon
The Hoff
and with all due respect, it is attitudes like yours that allows the government to walk all over everyone. No one is prepared to a dam thing, but they normally the first to moan.
OmegaFenix
The Legendary Troll Hunter
and with all due respect, it is attitudes like yours that allows the government to walk all over everyone. No one is prepared to a dam thing, but they normally the first to moan.
Ur just sour coz u have to pay R50 to see ur folks.
Grimspoon
The Hoff
Ur just sour coz u have to pay R50 to see ur folks.
No, I am just sick and tired of peoples sucky attitudes.
OmegaFenix
The Legendary Troll Hunter
Lol. I hear you but i am yet to see a petition in this country come to any good. We petitioned the scorpions not to be disbanded, they got disbanded, we petitioned malema to get a life, he is still useless. I guess us pessimists just dont see much point.
Sockmonkey
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We did the same thing here in Durban for the south coast tollgate, been stalling it for years now with environmental impact report, public rally's, letters to government etc. So far its been working.
Grimspoon
The Hoff
You see. . . You can either sit back and do nothing and moan, or make an effort and like in this scenario, see some results.
DenSweeP
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Did you ever see me complain? I'm not saying I'm mad about the idea, but I'm also enough of a realist to know that some things are beyond our control.
As for the Natal holdup, that is not due to some futile petition. That is because someone actually handed in valid documents etc with regard to environmental impacts and what not else.
What also gets me is who moan and do nothing and then try to make themselves feel better by going off at the same kind of people, because now he feels he is doing something. Signing some crappy online petition is, I guarantee going to make ZERO difference. Do you honestly think that after all the money that was put into this project, they will abandon it now? Or reduce costs? And don't tell me people will not use the highway now, because I promise that after one week of trying to use alternate routes they will gladly pay the toll. OR, even better, they might consider using the Gautrain.
Everyone so badly wants SA to become a first world country, but aren't prepared to do the work and pay for it. Yeah, in a perfect world we should get free education, free medical care, free roads, free local telecoms, but guess what, it ain't a perfect world. There are toll roads across Europe, the US and elsewhere. Hell, look at London and the inner city tolls. SA is not unique in this.
I suspect that the government is trying to get people to wake up to the idea of car pooling or heaven forbid, even using public transport. Yeah, public transport is far from perfect in the country, but why not do something about that rather? We might not also have the greatest infrastructure, but when government tries to improve it by building the gautrain, everyone bitched about that too. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying government is perfect, far from it actually, but they are not total incompetents either. Otherwise SA would be in the sewers by now, flushed away.
All' I'm saying, yes the toll roads are expensive, but they are not going to go away either from some pointless online petition. And yes, it is pointless. Rather make an impact study on what this would cost the average Joe and how this will impact his living and what he will now no longer be able to afford or pay etc. That I think might have a better impact. And always involve the media.
As for the Natal holdup, that is not due to some futile petition. That is because someone actually handed in valid documents etc with regard to environmental impacts and what not else.
What also gets me is who moan and do nothing and then try to make themselves feel better by going off at the same kind of people, because now he feels he is doing something. Signing some crappy online petition is, I guarantee going to make ZERO difference. Do you honestly think that after all the money that was put into this project, they will abandon it now? Or reduce costs? And don't tell me people will not use the highway now, because I promise that after one week of trying to use alternate routes they will gladly pay the toll. OR, even better, they might consider using the Gautrain.
Everyone so badly wants SA to become a first world country, but aren't prepared to do the work and pay for it. Yeah, in a perfect world we should get free education, free medical care, free roads, free local telecoms, but guess what, it ain't a perfect world. There are toll roads across Europe, the US and elsewhere. Hell, look at London and the inner city tolls. SA is not unique in this.
I suspect that the government is trying to get people to wake up to the idea of car pooling or heaven forbid, even using public transport. Yeah, public transport is far from perfect in the country, but why not do something about that rather? We might not also have the greatest infrastructure, but when government tries to improve it by building the gautrain, everyone bitched about that too. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying government is perfect, far from it actually, but they are not total incompetents either. Otherwise SA would be in the sewers by now, flushed away.
All' I'm saying, yes the toll roads are expensive, but they are not going to go away either from some pointless online petition. And yes, it is pointless. Rather make an impact study on what this would cost the average Joe and how this will impact his living and what he will now no longer be able to afford or pay etc. That I think might have a better impact. And always involve the media.