Top games in South Africa

No, here we don't go again. The last thing I'm looking for is a fight. I just find it odd that on the one hand we've got all these people fighting because women are being sidelined in the gaming industry, yet on the other hand we've got people who still make a division between "boy's games" and "girl's games."

It's more than a bit silly, if you ask me. Especially considering these people are doing nothing more than labelling a game that is more appealing to casuals as a "girl's game." So much for arguing that gaming is not a boy's club when people are essentially calling it a... boy's club.
 
Chill out,the difference is purely psychological.

The game is simply just more appealing to female gamers,doesn't mean they are casual or don't like violent games.
 
JP'S said:
Erm... First of all yes its the most user friendly game for girls available as DC stated.... And overall male gamers play games with violence and action. Where as most females don't really like that type of games... Hence the reason they play casual games....
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Depends really. My friends sister who loved the sims also loved age of empires 2 and gta san andreas. And I can't really call her a gamer though. Plays very seldom.
 
Except, what makes you say that? Is it actually more appealing to female gamers, or are you just saying that because you think so? Why label some games as "girl's games" and others as "boy's games?"

All I'm saying is that labelling a family-management sim as a girl's game comes across as being subtly sexist by basically saying girls are/should be more interested in domestic affairs and running a household than violent action. Especially when this view is based on no evidence other than outdated stereotypical thinking.

The Sims might appeal to a larger casual market, but I think it's really a stretch calling it a "girl's game." It does an injustice to both the game and the female gaming demographic.
 
The least expected is always on top.
I don't have anything on the sims, quite the contrary, but top-selling?

Actually good to see it up there, I guess.
 
Graal said:
Where do you get your info from that most girls play casual games and most guys play violent games? Are you a girl? If so, can you speak for the entire female gaming demographic? If no to either of those questions, why do you resort to outdated stereotypes?
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DCWarhound said:
Here we go again...
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Graal said:
No, here we don't go again. The last thing I'm looking for is a fight. I just find it odd that on the one hand we've got all these people fighting because women are being sidelined in the gaming industry, yet on the other hand we've got people who still make a division between "boy's games" and "girl's games."

It's more than a bit silly, if you ask me. Especially considering these people are doing nothing more than labelling a game that is more appealing to casuals as a "girl's game." So much for arguing that gaming is not a boy's club when people are essentially calling it a... boy's club.
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DCWarhound said:
Chill out,the difference is purely psychological.

The game is simply just more appealing to female gamers,doesn't mean they are casual or don't like violent games.
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Graal said:
Except, what makes you say that? Is it actually more appealing to female gamers, or are you just saying that because you think so? Why label some games as "girl's games" and others as "boy's games?"

All I'm saying is that labelling a family-management sim as a girl's game comes across as being subtly sexist by basically saying girls are/should be more interested in domestic affairs and running a household than violent action. Especially when this view is based on no evidence other than outdated stereotypical thinking.

The Sims might appeal to a larger casual market, but I think it's really a stretch calling it a "girl's game." It does an injustice to both the game and the female gaming demographic.
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Upon reading and entering this thread, I had a great suspicion I'd find the above happening... The Great Debate.

Why not just give your opinions and f*ck off... :p
 
Graal said:
Except, what makes you say that? Is it actually more appealing to female gamers, or are you just saying that because you think so? Why label some games as "girl's games" and others as "boy's games?"

All I'm saying is that labelling a family-management sim as a girl's game comes across as being subtly sexist by basically saying girls are/should be more interested in domestic affairs and running a household than violent action. Especially when this view is based on no evidence other than outdated stereotypical thinking.

The Sims might appeal to a larger casual market, but I think it's really a stretch calling it a "girl's game." It does an injustice to both the game and the female gaming demographic.
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You tend to use those words way too much in your arguments.

Let me ask you this,do you think females would enjoy growing beards or doing strength workouts to develop huge muscles (Don't take into account public out casting)

If you take a male child and female child and give both a doll,how do you thing they will play with it?


Overall it's the things in the game that appeal to the female gender,why do you think most male gamers grow bored with it after the first hour of play while some female gamers can play it hours on end?
 
Saint said:
Upon reading and entering this thread, I had a great suspicion I'd find the above happening... The Great Debate.

Why not just give your opinions and f*ck off... :p
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Because it's always interesting to debate with people,it's fun to see how an argument pans out and most people don't like to admit defeat and will keep going until they have the last word.

It's more fun when you do it on forums with more rude individuals though (glances at MyBB),as soon as one guy losses his cool the other wins.
 
Graal said:
Except, what makes you say that? Is it actually more appealing to female gamers, or are you just saying that because you think so? Why label some games as "girl's games" and others as "boy's games?"

All I'm saying is that labelling a family-management sim as a girl's game comes across as being subtly sexist by basically saying girls are/should be more interested in domestic affairs and running a household than violent action. Especially when this view is based on no evidence other than outdated stereotypical thinking.

The Sims might appeal to a larger casual market, but I think it's really a stretch calling it a "girl's game." It does an injustice to both the game and the female gaming demographic.
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You seem highly strung. Take a chill pill dude. injustice lol. No one said that thats all girls should play. Some things appeal more to girls than to guys.
 
Graal said:
Where do you get your info from that most girls play casual games and most guys play violent games? Are you a girl? If so, can you speak for the entire female gaming demographic? If no to either of those questions, why do you resort to outdated stereotypes?
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OMG dude EVERYTIME why? Its a FACT that most girls don't like action type games/movies they would much rather go watch sex in the city then die hard 3. Likewise with games most women would prefer The sims series over the call of duty series... And go read again I SAID MOST not all of them....

This is a joke really.... If we don't have the same opinion about a subject its sexism, gawd I've had enough of your shit. And don't even bother replying to this post I'll add you on my ignore list as soon as I'm done :)
 
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JP'S said:
OMG dude EVERYTIME why? Its a FACT that most girls don't like action type games/movies they would much rather go watch sex in the city then die hard 3. Likewise with games most women would prefer The sims series over the call of duty series... And go read again I SAID MOST not all of them....

This is a joke really.... If we don't have the same opinion about a subject its sexism, gawd I've had enough of your shit. And don't even bother replying to this post I'll add you on my ignore list as soon as I'm done :)
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Fact? Show me the figures then. If something is a fact then I'm assuming it's backed up by evidence.

By all means, add me to your ignore list because it doesn't seem like you either properly read or properly understand my posts anyway. :)

I ask why do you considering Sims a "girl's game" and you can't provide me with any answer other than guesswork and conjecture. I explore the logic; The Sims 3 is a game about managing a household, thus it is a girl's game because in general girls don't really have interests outside managing households. This is a view strongly ingrained into a patriarchal system of society.

That's all I'm doing, trying to engage you guys in critical discussion about things like these. Yet, it seems, every time one tries to have a discussion with people on MyG on a sensitive subject people immediately go on the offensive and it has to turn into a mud-slinging contest.
 
DCWarhound said:
You tend to use those words way too much in your arguments.

Let me ask you this,do you think females would enjoy growing beards or doing strength workouts to develop huge muscles (Don't take into account public out casting)

If you take a male child and female child and give both a doll,how do you thing they will play with it?


Overall it's the things in the game that appeal to the female gender,why do you think most male gamers grow bored with it after the first hour of play while some female gamers can play it hours on end?
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Read up a bit about gender socialization and gender roles.

If two young children who have never been subjected to gender stereotypes such as 'boys shouldn't play with dolls' or 'boys shouldn't cry' or 'girls should be sensitive and gentle,' what do you think is going to happen when they both get presented with the same toy to play with?

Children assume certain gender roles not because they've got a genetic predisposition to them, but because that's what society teaches them from a young age.

An interesting study from a few years back had a couple standing on a busy sidewalk showing off their new-born to passing strangers. They told people it was a boy and people would say describe it as 'fierce', 'strong', 'active' etc. Later they started telling people it's a girl. The exact same infant, yet now people were describing it as 'gentle', 'meek,' 'dependent' etc.
 
I play Sims, got it recently off steam for half price. Jesus relax, if people enjoy something they have every right to play something without being judged for it. My god its just a game. I will admit its not the most amazing game I've played, but its enjoyable. Gamers seem to be the most self righteous group of people when it comes to what is acceptable for someone to enjoy.
 
Graal said:
Read up a bit about gender socialization and gender roles.

If two young children who have never been subjected to gender stereotypes such as 'boys shouldn't play with dolls' or 'boys shouldn't cry' or 'girls should be sensitive and gentle,' what do you think is going to happen when they both get presented with the same toy to play with?

Children assume certain gender roles not because they've got a genetic predisposition to them, but because that's what society teaches them from a young age.

An interesting study from a few years back had a couple standing on a busy sidewalk showing off their new-born to passing strangers. They told people it was a boy and people would say describe it as 'fierce', 'strong', 'active' etc. Later they started telling people it's a girl. The exact same infant, yet now people were describing it as 'gentle', 'meek,' 'dependent' etc.
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You just proved my point that it's psychological.

A humans interests and behavior changes as they are subjected to different metal influence,if a boy and girl are both raised as girls then both would act girly until mid teens where the boy and girls hormones will kick but the girl will benefit as being more socially acceptable while the boy will either be bullied and become an outcast or he will develop a need to dominate those around him to accept him

Even if they are raised to be genderless they will learn from those around them on how to act and behave and they will most differently realize the difference between male and female.

I think this debate is becoming a tad to big for simply debating why Females like the Sims more then males.
 
Ike_009 said:
I think its great to see the sims on top, it means entry level gaming is still going strong. Its a gateway game
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Damn right. A colleague's primary school daughter has been hooked on it for years and she started playing Guild Wars 2 recently. Her Ranger is a higher level than my Engineer so far... :o
 
The closest thing I can find to official figures for Sims sales is from a 13 November 2012 EA press release where they state "The Sims has sold more than 150 million units to date".

I think this means the entire franchise range, from Sims 1 to Sims 3, across all platforms - possibly including expansions as well.

I cannot find some reliable info on total unit sales of the base Sims 3 game.

Whichever way you cut it, The sims has huge selling power.

South Africa might be a marginal slice of the global gaming market, but we do echo the trends, and so it's not surprising to see The Sims is always a top seller.

I will be in touch with Gfk SA in the new year to try drill down some details on their stats. I don't think they are combining expansions and base game sales into their stats, because they have previously provided those separately when an expansion has launch. I will double check this however.
 
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