unshaped vs shaped

KyleVR101

KyleVR101

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I know the blabla you will get fair usage 1mb up and down but does that mean I will see 1mb/s on my bittorrent client or will I see the same old 100kb download speed with 100 kb upload if so then what is the point as I really see fluctuations besides with peak times (which I have no problems with) so basically is it worth it will I see at least 3 times the download speed on bittorrent as well as steam ect thanks
 
Shaped - You will probably not get 100kbps during the day using torrents, dependant on your ISPs usage
Unshaped - You may get 100kbps during the day with torrents, depending on the source.

This is on 1 Meg, and your upload will not be 1Meg as well, will be quite a bit less (384/512, can't even remember).

I found that Unshaped is faster most of the times when using torrents.
 
TBlaar said:
Shaped - You will probably not get 100kbps during the day using torrents, dependant on your ISPs usage
Unshaped - You may get 100kbps during the day with torrents, depending on the source.

This is on 1 Meg, and your upload will not be 1Meg as well, will be quite a bit less (384/512, can't even remember).

I found that Unshaped is faster most of the times when using torrents.
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but most of all will it excel at gaming seeing as though that is the main usage of my internet at the moment
 
Remember that your torrent client shows your speed in bytes per second, whereas your line speed is given in bits per second. They differ by a factor of 8, and you also lose ~15-20% due to the overheads of data.

1024 kilobits / sec = 128 kilobytes / sec
80% of 128 kilobytes /s = 102.4 kilobytes per second.

So ~100 kB/s download speed is exactly what you should get for a 1 meg line.
 
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Remember that your torrent client shows your speed in bytes per second, whereas your line speed is given in bits per second. They differ by a factor of 8, and you also lose ~15-20% due to the overheads of data.

1024 kilobits / sec = 128 kilobytes / sec
80% of 128 kilobytes /s = 102.4 kilobytes per second.

So ~100 kB/s download speed is exactly what you should get for a 1 meg line.
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This.

I was about to say, how on earth can you be expecting to see 300KB/s on a 1mbps line. As far as shaped an unshaped goes for gaming, I would say most ISPs have taken an active interest in gaming and have tried to optimise their networks for gaming so you shouldn't really see much difference between the two.
 
Unless you go with KAK cybersmart, who advertise their inability to shape their network due to technical skill, and call this unshaped, ie. no preference of ports or services, just slower in general.
 
KyleVR101 said:
I know the blabla you will get fair usage 1mb up and down but does that mean I will see 1mb/s on my bittorrent client or will I see the same old 100kb download speed with 100 kb upload if so then what is the point as I really see fluctuations besides with peak times (which I have no problems with) so basically is it worth it will I see at least 3 times the download speed on bittorrent as well as steam ect thanks
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No. Just No.
please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_rate_units

In order to get you're mythical "1Mb/s" download speed on your bit torrent, you'll need firstly a UN-SHAPED 8Mb/s+ DSL line.
 
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TBlaar said:
Unless you go with KAK cybersmart, who advertise their inability to shape their network due to technical skill, and call this unshaped, ie. no preference of ports or services, just slower in general.
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This ^

MOnk said:
I would say most ISPs have taken an active interest in gaming and have tried to optimise their networks for gaming
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Cybersmart is definitely not one of those ISPs. +50ms latency on any server, constant spikes and disconnects. Been having this problem since I signed up with them. Want to change my ISP but can't really afford it right now since Cybersmart has the cheapest 384k uncapped offering.
 
OK, so here's my experience:

I have recently moved from Cybersmart to MWEB, and I am very happy. I currently have and pay for 1MB Uncapped from both, and have a 2MB circuit from Cybersmart.

A few things I have noticed:
- On MWEB, I am able to RDP into my home computer even when that PC is downloading at MAX. On Cybersmart, I was unable to get into my home PC via RDP (port 3389) most of the time. MWEB must be prioritising this port traffic or something.
- With MWEB currently, right now, I am downloading at 160kbps on my 1MB account! I switch to Cybersmart right now, and I get about 12kbps - 40kbps, up and down(same downloads, using uTorrent). MWEB is much faster, even faster than it's supposed to be, right now during the day. I wonder what I get at night??? :eek:
- MWEB is contactable, I have called and had the first person able to help me. With Cybersmart, usually they say any kak to get me off the phone.
- The MWEB website is understandable, and I don't get logged out every time I want to view another page.
- I canceled all my Cybersmart services, including circuit rental. Two days ago I get a call from Cybersmart saying that I should keep the circuit with them, as Telkom does not have any available circuits in my area. After contacting Telkom, they say that this is not true. Did Cybersmart phone me and LIE to me in my ear????? Seriously????? I did decide to keep the circuit with Cybersmart though, as they are cheaper than Telkom, and Telkom wants to charge me R666 to install the circuit!!!! FFS!!!! with a 6-8week waiting time.

So I am a happy MWEB chappy, really impressed with them. I know you all may have other experiences, but mine thus far is excellent.
 
TBlaar said:
OK, so here's my experience:

I have recently moved from Cybersmart to MWEB, and I am very happy. I currently have and pay for 1MB Uncapped from both, and have a 2MB circuit from Cybersmart.

A few things I have noticed:
- On MWEB, I am able to RDP into my home computer even when that PC is downloading at MAX. On Cybersmart, I was unable to get into my home PC via RDP (port 3389) most of the time. MWEB must be prioritising this port traffic or something.
- With MWEB currently, right now, I am downloading at 160kbps on my 1MB account! I switch to Cybersmart right now, and I get about 12kbps - 40kbps, up and down(same downloads, using uTorrent). MWEB is much faster, even faster than it's supposed to be, right now during the day. I wonder what I get at night??? :eek:
- MWEB is contactable, I have called and had the first person able to help me. With Cybersmart, usually they say any kak to get me off the phone.
- The MWEB website is understandable, and I don't get logged out every time I want to view another page.
- I canceled all my Cybersmart services, including circuit rental. Two days ago I get a call from Cybersmart saying that I should keep the circuit with them, as Telkom does not have any available circuits in my area. After contacting Telkom, they say that this is not true. Did Cybersmart phone me and LIE to me in my ear????? Seriously????? I did decide to keep the circuit with Cybersmart though, as they are cheaper than Telkom, and Telkom wants to charge me R666 to install the circuit!!!! FFS!!!! with a 6-8week waiting time.

So I am a happy MWEB chappy, really impressed with them. I know you all may have other experiences, but mine thus far is excellent.
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Big-Massive-Huge-GALACTIC + 1

I will pay a little more to get that extra bit from Mweb, having your line sync at 2Mb/s is awesome I am getting 150Kb/s on all my downloads with my 1Mb
 
Been with Mweb basically since they launched their uncapped product and I've been very happy with what I've gotten.
 
TBlaar said:
OK, so here's my experience:

I have recently moved from Cybersmart to MWEB, and I am very happy. I currently have and pay for 1MB Uncapped from both, and have a 2MB circuit from Cybersmart.

A few things I have noticed:
- On MWEB, I am able to RDP into my home computer even when that PC is downloading at MAX. On Cybersmart, I was unable to get into my home PC via RDP (port 3389) most of the time. MWEB must be prioritising this port traffic or something.
- With MWEB currently, right now, I am downloading at 160kbps on my 1MB account! I switch to Cybersmart right now, and I get about 12kbps - 40kbps, up and down(same downloads, using uTorrent). MWEB is much faster, even faster than it's supposed to be, right now during the day. I wonder what I get at night??? :eek:
- MWEB is contactable, I have called and had the first person able to help me. With Cybersmart, usually they say any kak to get me off the phone.
- The MWEB website is understandable, and I don't get logged out every time I want to view another page.
- I canceled all my Cybersmart services, including circuit rental. Two days ago I get a call from Cybersmart saying that I should keep the circuit with them, as Telkom does not have any available circuits in my area. After contacting Telkom, they say that this is not true. Did Cybersmart phone me and LIE to me in my ear????? Seriously????? I did decide to keep the circuit with Cybersmart though, as they are cheaper than Telkom, and Telkom wants to charge me R666 to install the circuit!!!! FFS!!!! with a 6-8week waiting time.

So I am a happy MWEB chappy, really impressed with them. I know you all may have other experiences, but mine thus far is excellent.
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Exactly! That's why in my opinion mweb is the best ISp around atm
 
Torrents are a really bad way to check what speeds you are getting based on the fact that you are dependent on seeds etc etc...

Unshaped will always be better than shaped when you are running on a link that hasn't congested.

When you have shaped then you are dealing with the QoS the ISP runs on those links and any ISP with half of a brain will drop peer to peer filesharing 1st, because that is the things that chows bandwidth the most since people download a lot with it and no normal person has anything important using these protocols.

Also sync speed on your router is in bits and download speed gets done in bytes. You will always download at roughly 10% of your sync speed in your router. (there are 8 bits in every byte)

Unshaped also gets better preference on the ISP networks. Hope this helps.
 
Unshaped means that your downloads will not be 'shaped' because someone else is browsing.
That means that if you're downloading, you have the same 'priority' as someone googling or downloading mail or surfing

So unshaped is much better for us gamers :)
 
TBlaar said:
OK, so here's my experience:

I have recently moved from Cybersmart to MWEB, and I am very happy. I currently have and pay for 1MB Uncapped from both, and have a 2MB circuit from Cybersmart.

A few things I have noticed:
- On MWEB, I am able to RDP into my home computer even when that PC is downloading at MAX. On Cybersmart, I was unable to get into my home PC via RDP (port 3389) most of the time. MWEB must be prioritising this port traffic or something.
- With MWEB currently, right now, I am downloading at 160kbps on my 1MB account! I switch to Cybersmart right now, and I get about 12kbps - 40kbps, up and down(same downloads, using uTorrent). MWEB is much faster, even faster than it's supposed to be, right now during the day. I wonder what I get at night??? :eek:
- MWEB is contactable, I have called and had the first person able to help me. With Cybersmart, usually they say any kak to get me off the phone.
- The MWEB website is understandable, and I don't get logged out every time I want to view another page.
- I canceled all my Cybersmart services, including circuit rental. Two days ago I get a call from Cybersmart saying that I should keep the circuit with them, as Telkom does not have any available circuits in my area. After contacting Telkom, they say that this is not true. Did Cybersmart phone me and LIE to me in my ear????? Seriously????? I did decide to keep the circuit with Cybersmart though, as they are cheaper than Telkom, and Telkom wants to charge me R666 to install the circuit!!!! FFS!!!! with a 6-8week waiting time.

So I am a happy MWEB chappy, really impressed with them. I know you all may have other experiences, but mine thus far is excellent.
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To add to the above....

I have recently been getting around 0.5M speeds, with the latest speedtest being 0.16M down. MWEB claims that this is Telkom's exchange, as my first ping is already around 600ms... Damn, will try and get this resolved via Cybersmart, as they have my circuit...
 
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