Watch Dogs finally gets patch from Ubisoft

I said a portion of the value, not all value. I placed value in the Diablo franchise name prior to D3.

What's that supposed to mean? You complained about both D3 and Sim City despite not owning or paying for either of them. I have the full right to complain about a game I own or even want to own, just as you did, and I believe that goes for everyone.
 
What's that supposed to mean? You complained about both D3 and Sim City despite not owning or paying for either of them. I have the full right to complain about a game I own or even want to own, just as you did, and I believe that goes for everyone.

A guy who gets something for free has a right to complain yes.

But a guy who spent money on something has more of a right to complain.
 
Okay, so here we go. You (Wyzak) don't think Ubisoft is without blame for delivering a poorly tested product. You believe they should have done a better job at testing the game (despite this being a challenging task).

So we agree then. This is what I've been saying all along (and so have many others).

You're personally willing to cut them some slack because "making games is hard, man". You also expected this outcome anyway for various reasons.

You didn't pay full price because you got it on special and you reckon you have a product that works acceptably to your standards, and therefore the expense:right to complain ratio hit your personal butter-zone of leaning toward defending the product because you can't just sit back and watch people tear Ubisoft apart (despite having conceded they should have done a better job of testing).

Within that framework, you also reckon that others shouldn't complain so vociferously because they should have known better than to buy it in the first place (business ethics and consumer rights notwithstanding).

Conversely, some of us are not willing to cut them slack, because making games is what they specialise in doing and they expect us to pay money for said games (and we expect them to work properly). We also feel very strongly about what we consider to be a poorly delivered (faulty) product and we're vocalising that.

What are we arguing about?
 
Okay, so here we go. You (Wyzak) don't think Ubisoft is without blame for delivering a poorly tested product. You believe they should have done a better job at testing the game (despite this being a challenging task).

So we agree then. This is what I've been saying all along (and so have many others).

You're personally willing to cut them some slack because "making games is hard, man". You also expected this outcome anyway for various reasons.

You didn't pay full price because you got it on special and you reckon you have a product that works acceptably to your standards, and therefore the expense:right to complain ratio hit your personal butter-zone of leaning toward defending the product because you can't just sit back and watch people tear Ubisoft apart (despite having conceded they should have done a better job of testing).

Within that framework, you also reckon that others shouldn't complain so vociferously because they should have known better than to buy it in the first place (business ethics and consumer rights notwithstanding).

Conversely, some of us are not willing to cut them slack, because making games is what they specialise in doing and they expect us to pay money for said games (and we expect them to work properly). We also feel very strongly about what we consider to be a poorly delivered (faulty) product and we're vocalising that.

What are we arguing about?

Exactly :P We are having a debate on an interesting topic, where we each have different opinions but we each defend our positions and listen to the rationale of the other person, in the end we reach a suitable compromise and everybody wins. No need to make it personal.
 
Did Ubisoft give Eugene the game?

look a gift horse in the mouth

Fig. to be ungrateful to someone who gives you something; to treat someone who gives you a gift badly.

I guess if someone gives you a brand new BMW with manufacturer faults you shouldn't complain either and just accept it.
 
Interesting, but do you disagree with my statement that somebody who bought an item has more of a right to complain about said item than somebody who got it for free?

I think the core issue of the faulty product is the important discussion point, and not the method by which the user got the product.

It's plausible that someone who received a gift wouldn't be as vested in complaining about the faulty product as someone who paid for it themselves, but that does not logically mean that the person who got it for free has less of a right to complain.

Faulty is faulty, regardless of how it was obtained (I wouldn't count piracy into the obtainable methods because this is not the same as the legitimate product).
 
I guess if someone gives you a brand new BMW with manufacturer faults you shouldn't complain either and just accept it.

Or if someone sends you shit in box also. I wonder if your warranty is void if you got your shiny new toy as a gift, you didn't pay for it therefore you shouldn't complain if its faulty.
 
Or if someone sends you shit in box also. I wonder if your warranty is void if you got your shiny new toy as a gift, you didn't pay for it therefore you shouldn't complain if its faulty.

If one of my friends sends me a "present" like that, they won't be my friend anymore :P
 
Wyzak is a hypocrite who complains about whatever he wants, yet tells other people they have no right to complain.

More news at 11.

You shouldn't make a blanket statement about someone - this will be construed as a personal attack (against the forum rules). To accuse someone of being a hypocrite in a particular case is different, however.
 
You shouldn't make a blanket statement about someone - this will be construed as a personal attack (against the forum rules). To accuse someone of being a hypocrite in a particular case is different, however.

Wyzak is being a hypocrite on this topic. How's that? :D
 
Wyzak is being a hypocrite on this topic. How's that? :D

How is that? I never said that you had no right to complain, I said that you had less of a right to complain in my opinion because you got the game for free. Same goes for not having the game, but for having placed value in the franchise.
 
How is that? I never said that you had no right to complain, I said that you had less of a right to complain in my opinion because you got the game for free. Same goes for not having the game, but for having placed value in the franchise.

You have been slamming people who complain about the issues with the game right from the start, especially with the way it was covered by MyGaming, while you yourself posted links to every article you could find about Sim City issues, to the point where several people got fed up with you about it. That makes you hypocrite.
 
How is that? I never said that you had no right to complain, I said that you had less of a right to complain in my opinion because you got the game for free. Same goes for not having the game, but for having placed value in the franchise.

You're a hypocrite because you seem to think you're the one who can decide when people have a right to complain and when they don't. It doesn't work like that. If an owner of a product is dissatisfied with that product, he is allowed to complain. His method of acquisition is completely irrelevant.

I am a bit surprised that you are willing to do so much mental gymnastics to defend this game. What exactly is your stake in this, Wyzak, because normally people won't go to so much trouble to defend something. There must be something more to it.
 
You have been slamming people who complain about the issues with the game right from the start, especially with the way it was covered by MyGaming, while you yourself posted links to every article you could find about Sim City issues, to the point where several people got fed up with you about it. That makes you hypocrite.

I haven't been slamming anyone. I've been trying to get people to admit that some of the blame is on them for deciding to buy a product that they aren't entirely happy with, and I've been trying to convince people that pre-ordering is a bad idea. I've also been trying to show people that it's not quite so simple releasing a game of this magnitude without there being some issues.

I never said that you aren't allowed to blame the company, if I had said that I would have been a hypocrite. The company is at fault, but so the user should also blame himself.
 
On topic: can anyone report if this patch resolved some of the issues on the PC version of the game? Has it improved anything whatsoever?
 
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