Week old monitor is defective- a case for RMA or simple exchange?

Graal

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So I bought an LG 23MP55 IPS monitor last week and it has unacceptable amounts of backlight bleed in the one corner, resulting in it always being noticeable and distracting during use. I'm giving Wootware some flak about it because they want it sent in to LG under warranty and I feel this is not acceptable for a monitor that is only a week old. Especially because there is a possibility that LG will determine the backlight bleed is acceptable and return it to me as is.

I told Wootware that they either need to guarantee me a new monitor, or they need to give me a new one themselves or give me a fully refund. Am I right to feel that I should not have to go through the lengthy RMA process on a monitor which is only a week old? Would you guys accept that?
 
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Wouldn't be happy with it either...but I do think Wootware is facing an unreasonable portion of your wrath here though. Remember they're literally in the business of moving boxes from A to B (supplier to you). If the contents of the box have a flaw thats not really their fault...they should be providing reasonable assistance to remedy the situation of course...which is the formal RMA process.

If they start exchanging things like you suggest they wouldn't be in business for long...
 
Yet they make a profit off my purchase. They're not doing me a service, they're selling me goods. If I took a defective monitor back to Makro I'd get an exchange on the spot. I'm not saying Wootware needs to take the loss as it's obviously a manufacturer's fault, but they need to sort it out with the manufacturer themselves. They bought a faulty product from the manufacturer, not me. I bought a faulty monitor from Wootware, thus I want a replacement from Wootware. They can sort out with the manufacturer themselves why they received a faulty product for resale.

As the customer who chose to spend my money at their store, I should not be the one carrying all the risk.

Maybe I'm wrong in thinking this way, but it makes sense to me. If it was a couple of months old I would have no issue with the RMA process. However, it's not. It's a brand new product that was faulty out the box.
 
If I took a defective monitor back to Makro I'd get an exchange on the spot.
You sure? Last time I utilized a Makro warranty it took a couple of months to get a replacement...

You say it was bought "last week"...maybe CPA still covers it?...thats 7 days if memory serves.

I kinda get what you're saying but if online shops do that half can close their doors and the other half need to up their prices significantly to absorb the risk.

Remember RMA is a global industry wide norm...its not something wootware dreamt up.
 
I agree with Graal. I would also expect that the seller should deal with the exchange, especially after only a week. To say that they are "only moving boxes from A to B" makes it sound like they are a logisitics company, they are not. They are an online retailer. Perhaps they make it clear in their T&Cs that they don't do exchanges, in which case I will never use them again as I believe this is a minimum service requirement that I expect from any retailer. I have dealt with ComX, who are a similar online distributor and have nothing but good things to say about them. My WD external drive failed after 2.5 years(!) and they still took it in to exchange with their suppliers because it was under WD guarantee. It's very poor on Wootware's part not to honour even a limited guarantee after a week.
 
You guys should go read the CPA, it does not guarantee you an immediate exchange. This is common practice from all retailers I'm afraid, not just Wootware.
 
It's extortion. Makro takes the faulty item, inspects it for user-inflicted damage and if none is found, they give you a new monitor and send the faulty one back to their supplier. I've done this with two phones and a monitor in the past. No reason why other companies can't do the same. This BS of screwing the customer over by depriving them of their product while their supplier inspects for faults at their own discretion is just that, BS.

It's an easy way for companies to shirk all responsibility in terms of goods sold. Like StaggerLee said, they're not a logistics company. They sold me a defective product. It's not like I've been using the product for weeks.
 
I agree that it's really BS, same thing happened to me. That said it seems to be the norm, at least as far as online retailers go. Most brick and mortar stores are more reasonable in that department.
 
The irony is that my SO told me to buy the same thing from TakeAlot and not stare myself blind against the R150 saving from Wootware. I guess that teaches me. TakeAlot would even have sent a courier to collect from me, while Wootware expects me to get it to their premises on my own.
 
The irony is that my SO told me to buy the same thing from TakeAlot and not stare myself blind against the R150 saving from Wootware. I guess that teaches me. TakeAlot would even have sent a courier to collect from me, while Wootware expects me to get it to their premises on my own.

That's not right. They gave me the option so I had a courier come and collect it from me...
 
The irony is that my SO told me to buy the same thing from TakeAlot and not stare myself blind against the R150 saving from Wootware. I guess that teaches me. TakeAlot would even have sent a courier to collect from me, while Wootware expects me to get it to their premises on my own.

Sorry to hear about your troubles.

I bought a TV from Takealot last week which has a dead pixel near the middle. Emailed them asking what their policy was regarding this. Got a phone call later in the day saying they will send the courier to collect the TV and drop off the new replacement.

Was pretty surprised by the service.
 
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Firstly, I am sorry that you're dissatisfied with your monitor purchase from us. I'm also sorry that you're not happy with our service and handling of your issue.

Since the unit was originally collected from our offices, we did ask for you to bring it back to us. We cover shipping both ways for our customers that opt for courier delivery on their products that are DOA, but generally ask customers that collect their products to return them back to us (assumption being that this is the most convenient for them given that they opted to collect in the first place). Given that you did indicate that time without the monitor was an issue, bringing it back directly would minimise the time spent without a monitor. Using a courier would add at the minimum 2 days to the time you would be without a monitor.

In terms of what we communicated before the unit was given back to us, we did initially state that the unit would need to be sent back to LG's service centre for testing before a decision could be made to replace with a new unit. After receiving further communication from your side, we then offered to test the unit ourselves and make the final call (which we did). If the unit was non-functional of the box, we would've been able to offer a new replacement from the get-go after having received the unit back.

In terms of our testing, during daytime/general use we couldn't discern any noticeable difference between your monitor and another unit of the same model that was calibrated using the same settings. Both units looked excellent, without any flaw or defect in image noted during this scenario.

In a darkened environment, with the monitor brightness set to 100% and on a black background we could see the characteristic IPS glow on the unit. The reference unit also displayed IPS glow. Given the nature of the technology (edge-lit LED backlights and IPS panel) this is normal. In this testing scenario, I'd hazard to say it's discernable on almost all IPS LED monitors.

Neither unit displayed what could be considered excessive backlight bleed, this is our opinion. We still would've sent the unit back to the service centre in any case for the final call to be made under normal circumstances. Given that Zewp/Graal was very unhappy and had expressed as much to us, we went ahead with offering a full credit or replacement while re-iterating that the IPS glow may be apparent on the replacement unit (as it seems to be the case).

Up till this point, we hadn't had a single complaint about backlight bleed on this particular monitor, nor a DOA or dead-pixel out of 100+ units sold. The one complaint that we have received twice was that the out-of-box calibration of the monitor is not good. Both customers were more than happy with the unit after tuning the monitor with a preferred calibration setting that seems to work best for this panel. This same profile was indicated and recommended when we sent the replacement unit. We have listed this on the product page on our website now as well.

I know that eyestrain was mentioned as being an issue with this monitor as well when you contacted us. The only recommendation that we could offer in that regard would be to tweak brightness and contrast settings, making sure that there's sufficient ambient lighting as well as making use of software such as Flux that will manage your colour profile based on time-of-day to relieve eye-strain.

Regardless, if you're still not happy with the new replacement that you received, we can arrange a courier collection of the unit and offer you a full refund. If there is perhaps any other brand or model of monitor you might want to consider, we would be happy to try source it for you.

I would like to state that our markup/margin model is not a relevant determinant of the service we provide with regards to returns. Adopting a blanket policy of just replacing any item that gets returned wouldn't necessarily be a good idea if the root-cause of the problem is not found since a replacement may not solve the issue either. We understand that every customer/situation is unique, and it’s our goal to help each customer find the best solution that suits them. If there's any constructive suggestions or opinions about how we could deal with such an issue better in future, we’d like to hear them. We are continuously trying to improve our systems and policies.
 
Simply reposting this from MyBB for the sake of having both sides of the story up:

Which is what I don't get. I spent a week with that monitor. Due to the fact that I wrote two exams last week and was short on time, I decided to stick it out and see if it was not just something I had to get used to. It wasn't. I'm unsure what tests you guys ran, but one corner of the screen glowing silver is not normal. You cannot honestly expect a customer to just deal with a monitor where three of the corners have solid, pure blacks and one corner has silvery blacks. Especially when other customers are raving about what a great monitor it is with crystal clear images. If it was the case in all four corners I would accept your explanation that it is just normal IPS glow, but the bottom left corner was way out of proportion compared to the others (top right corner also displayed the issue, but to a manageable degree). I tried it from a variety of angles, with different calibration settings and even propped it up on a stack of textbooks and the IPS glow remained excessive.

What is even more curious is that the new monitor has the same phenomena in the bottom right corner and I noticed it within seconds of first turning it on. Even better, when I tap on that corner, it magically disappears for a couple of seconds. This is very clearly a build quality issue with LG's panels.

I thank you for your willingness to take this one back again, but this one is not as extreme as the previous so I'll stick with it for now. I don't have much choice as I'm using it to study for two exams coming up next week. I'm simply going to sell it on at the end of the year and just buy a 27" Samsung or Dell instead.
 
[MENTION=4467]Graal[/MENTION] I just want to know if you were happy in the end with Wootwear? i want to buy a screen from them. But was not too impressed with some of the stuff you had to say about them
 
Wootware themselves are a great company. Overall one of the better ones around. However, I would not suggest buying screens from online retailers. Go to a brick and mortar shop where you can inspect the monitor on display and play around with it yourself beforehand.

Trying to return a defective monitor through an online retailer is a nightmare when they claim the defects are normal or even that there is no defect. If that happens you're completely out of luck. At the very least I'd suggest rather buying through TakeAlot, who has a much better returns policy.
 
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