Xbox one revealed, next-gen console from Microsoft
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Saint_Dee
The Phantom Poet
I wonder how it would've been if they'd actually decided to wait for E3 regardless of Sony's reveal.
Dohc-WP
Ron Burgundy
the sony console also wasnt that impressive imo, they never showed a console so you dont know how big its going to be, you wont know how many ports it will have etc. they showed a kinect like clone PS eye sensor but where vague on its abilities etc. they never announced a hard drive size (just like ms never announced the gpu specs etc).
Grievous
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I must admit, all these reports are a bit overwhelming with the confusion they spread. Has the daily check in been confirmed because I've been reading reports that contradict each other, each of them with 'quotes' from Microsoft execs...
What has actually been confirmed?
It has been confirmed you will be able to play games offline. But the current rumour seems to be around you might need to come online once a day.
Ike_009
Assassin of Accountants
But they didn't parade a Tivo
jasong
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These kinds of early glimpse releases are pretty common in gaming. I don't really agree. I think they were trying to push their vision of the console as a whole, and they wanted to leave the details of specific games for E3.
Thing is people can complain and all that, but what they're doing with the XBOX One from a business viability standpoint is completely correct. This pure gaming console idea these days doesn't really work out - games just cost too much and the margin is too thin to stand on games alone. Look at what Square is going through despite having some pretty successful games (by normal standards aka multimillion-sellers) like Tomb Raider they lost money on it. Sony is losing or breaking even on PS4. To be successful in the long run they need to position it as more than just a console, and figure out how to extract more value out of it by taking over the living room. This is a very very important strategy for MS at the moment. If you like it or don't like it, it might be what saves the industry.
Dohc-WP
Ron Burgundy
As far as i know 90% of the 3 Major consoles have always been announced at E3 as e3 is always a major showcase for console reveals, if you look back at past e3 history you will see 1995 saturn, 1997 katana/blackbelt = Dreamcast, 2010 Wii U etc etc
i agree with you that consoles need to offer more in order to make money and stay relevant but consumers should be given a choice and console manufactures, both sony and MS and Even Ninty are not listening to what the consumers want, both the ps4 and xbox 1 will ship with motion sensing cameras that will be needed for some games (every one does not have a hugh living room and what about a paralysed gamer how will the kinect or eye toy benefit him/her etc). the only way i think console costs could be maintained is if a joint development will happen eg. the 3 manufacturers develop a console together, it has the same specs but each one can decide how theirs look and each one can choose their own OS and maintain their exclusive on individual platforms, that would also save developers time an costs from porting their code to individual architectures.
i found an article as to why Sony and MS decided to host individual events this time around
Dohc-WP
Ron Burgundy
look at the history of E3 and you will see 95% of all major console have been announced there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_E3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_E3
jasong
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Yeah you know somehow I had an impression that the Wii was originally shown at Nintendoworld but I guess I'm wrong about that. So it's possible that Sony pressured them into showing their hand early. I still do think that it was probably a good move given that their E3 demo would have been very diverted if they had to show all that TV-multiple-OS-New-Kinect-New-Controller stuff. If both of them feel like they have enough to show in a month's time then it should be a great E3.
So they shouldn't include Kinect because it might not benefit some gamers? That's a bit misguided isn't it? How about - they have enough confidence in Kinect that they're making it the secondary default controller for XBOX. What's exactly WRONG with shipping it with Kinect in the box, except I guess the cost factor?
I think Nintendo could end up going software only on consoles. But that joint development idea is hooey, it'll never fly. There are other ways to maintain console costs, by doing what Nintendo did with the Wii and keeping the specs down so the base hardware was profitable.
Just in case anyone else asks the same question, yes, its unified. The architecture is Jaguar-based and it is the same basic design as the PS4. Microsoft just opted for cheaper hardware in order to drive the cost of the console down low enough to include Kinect in the bundle and still make money off it.
If you're still wondering, check out any of the reviews online of the Radeon HD7790. The AMD GPU inside the PS4/XO is based on Bonaire's design. In the PS4 it's faster than the desktop HD7850 and in the XO its the equivalent of the Radeon HD7770. For comparison, the Wii U is estimated to have a HD6670 for graphics.
Take whatever scores Bonaire gets and imagine that's boosted to 60FPS with everything on Ultra.
The reason why no-one complains is because of the tradeoffs that Steam brings us. Sure, you can only sign into your account from one location, but you can have your games installed on your PC at home, at work and even on a laptop or tablet, switching between them as often as you like and having your save games available wherever you go. The online requirement, which is, by the way, only needed for installation, updating and multi-player features, isn't that bad in the case of Steam.
Honestly, while the hardware excites me, I really don't care about what's in it, or what it can do - I just want to see a commitement from the company that the games will always be the main focus and that they'll deliver to gamers first and foremost. After all, that's why I bought their product. I realise that the PS3/Xbox 360 can do other things and can do those other things very well, but the games are the main selling point.
Sony did the right thing by addressing the core markets, the one that matter most to the console's success. They had indie devs, AAA devs and Sony employees talk about the console and what they're planning, highlighting some of the services and features. For Sony, the money they're going for is from console and game sales. The PSN is secondary, but it earns them a decent profit and there's much better value with the yearly subscription. Like the Wii U, its also a great market for indie developers.
The XO reveal, by contrast, was focused on other markets. Admittedly, this is because Microsoft realises the console can sell better and if they can get more people to buy it for reasons other than gaming, then that's totally cool. But they didn't address the gamers too well. The XO's features are tailored for the US market, they paid no lip service to indie devs, they only had EA, Activision and studios that they themselves publish speak about what they were planning. It just didn't seem gamer-friendly even though we know that there will be games - lots of them - but that first impression leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.
They can make up for that somewhat at E3 but Microsoft already revealed their true colours - they're in this for maximum profit and they're not focused on gaming, but other revenue streams. I fear that they're getting greedy and may be biting off more than they can chew.
The PS4 event was designed to woo gamers and attract developers to a company that seemed more confident and forward-thinking, one that had learnt from its mistakes. The XO is the opposite and is, in fact, making many of the same mistakes Sony did with the PS3. I wish them luck, they're going to need it.
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jasong
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http://gizmodo.com/you-don-t-hate-the-xbox-one-you-re-just-jealous-509604549
It's pure nonsense that XBOX isn't catering for gamers adequately. They've got 300000 dedicated servers for XBOX Live.Of course they're in for maximum profit, who cares? It means not just you but your wives, your parents, are going to be able to make use of it. There's still the hardcore gaming base being catered for. If you weren't impressed by the COD: Ghosts and Forza and Destiny footage I don't know what to say.
The real question is whether they can manage to juggle all those balls and still keep the dedicated gamers happy, and not end up with a fractured experience. I can't say for sure that they can do it but this is MS - they know at least a little bit about operating systems.
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Saint_Dee
The Phantom Poet
PR and marketing. I think that's the point Wesley is making. At the moment, how gamers perceive either console, is based on how it was marketed and sold in their respective reveals. Both may be great pieces of hardware that are pretty much on par with each other in terms of what they can do, but MS's reveal left quite some confusion with gamers, and Sony's reveal, while being enigmatic about the actual console itself, did show what gamers can expect in terms of gaming... At least that's what I think.
Dohc-WP
Ron Burgundy
thats what it blogged about last night
OmegaFenix
The Legendary Troll Hunter
It has all happen before and it will all happen again... probably in 7 to 8 years when the next cycle starts.
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