Xbox One Thoughts

Xbox One or PS4

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StaggerLee said:
Perhaps not, but this is no different from how it works on a PS3 or XBox 360 (like the online pass system). It may well happen that because Microsoft enforces these restrictions that the publishers will enforce similar restrictions on the PS4. I would not hold this directly against Sony but rather against the publishers themselves and then Microsoft for nurturing an anti-consumerist environment.

At least Sony is providing an option to allow used games, whether the publishers decide to keep it that way is their prerogative. Microsoft is preventing this completely. I don't think that the PS4 is the answer to all our prayers (there are a few gripes that I have with it, the most noticeable being the lack of backwards-compatibility) but I certainly think that in the XBone/PS4 race that the Xbone falls very, very short.
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By my understanding Microsoft aren't 'preventing' used games? I was under the impression one could sell a used game as many times over as you want, there's just a fee applied (and determined by the publisher) for every consecutive sell, and if you want to sell the game yourself the person 'buying' it from you has to have been on your friends list for at least 30 days.

The only place I've seen the "can only sell a used game once" thing come from so far has been from sources that are not Microsoft using grossly exaggerating and largely wrong infographics.

This is why I'm asking if I've missed something somewhere. I haven't been following the E3 coverage at all so I don't know if any new specifics have been released since I last looked at all of this about a week or more ago.
 
To some extent, not unprecedented behaviour on the part of console developers. Especially when running games that aren't yet ready to publish onto the console in question on account of a lack of optimization.

Besides, the point is to show off what the consoles should be capable of at launch and how the games being made for them play with their controllers, right? I mean, take Sony's demos of games at their original PS4 reveal as an example. If they could show the games themselves, why didn't they show the console, or at least its hardware, even if the design they could've shown wouldn't necessarily have been the final one? What were those games really running on behind the scenes?
 
It's unlikely to have to, since as I said, the games are probably just not yet optimized. Take Halo: Combat Evolved (Halo 1) as an example. When it was finally ported onto the PC, I played it on my Athlon 2800+ with 1gb of ram and Radeon 9700Pro. The original XBOX, in comparison, had a 733mhz Northwood generation Celewrong, 256mb(?) of ram and the equivalent of an FX5200 in it.

The game ran like crap on my desktop, despite looking the same on PC as it did on the console.

So the games mightn't warrant anything more than the XBOX One's specifications in reality, they just didn't want demos of incomplete games to potentially lag up.

I you sat anyone down with an Xbox 360 and Ninety Nine Nights as it was AFTER it was released and patched up, to demo the console at E3, they'd think the console is pretty crap - because the game ran like crap and didn't exactly have the most varied graphics out there.
 
haha, so it was labelled xbox one but powered by a pc...

moral of the story just buy a pc and use a controller
 
http://www.lazygamer.net/general-news/the-xbox-one-is-over-delivering-in-value/

The latest PR misstep from Microsoft has been committed by Don Mattrick who believes that selling the console for $599 isn’t a ridiculous price point stating

“It’s a lower number than some of the analysts had forecasted”

“We’re over-delivering value against other choices I think consumers can get. Any modern product these days you look at it [and] $499 isn’t a ridiculous price point. We’re delivering thousands of dollars of value to people, so I think they’re going to love it when they use it.”
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Just keep on digging guys.
 
Lothy said:
I almost feel like MS is doin this on purpose, as if they are handing the market to Sony.
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Yeah, its hard to believe a company that's been around around as long as them, really just doesn't have a clue sometimes. Before this, I had no doubt in my mind I would get and xbox one, and was thinking of getting ps4 as well down the line. Now?, I find it hard to believe I will ever get an xbox one. Even if they change their policies, who is to say they wont revert them once everyone buys their console?
 
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Lothy said:
I think it was this, they saw a way to control the customer and further bulge their pockets.

Stuff like could drive the pc market back up
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Yep, I believe it went something like this:

Which markets haven't we explored fully:
1) Well there's always the pirates, if we can get them to buy we can double sales. - Incredibly annoying DRM fixes this - check
2) Second hand sales, those guys just get the good games for a fraction of the price - add extra tax to second hand sales - check

What they incorrectly assume:
1) All pirates would buy the game if they had no other choice - because you know they have mountains of gold like we (MS) do.
2) Everybody who buys a game second hand would also buy it first hand if he had no other option - because you know they have mountains of gold like we do.
3) Even thought we implement 1 and 2, it won't cost us a single paying consumer - you know those guys will just eat any crap we throw their way if we create enough hype.
 
Wyzak said:
Yep, I believe it went something like this:

Which markets haven't we explored fully:
1) Well there's always the pirates, if we can get them to buy we can double sales. - Incredibly annoying DRM fixes this - check
2) Second hand sales, those guys just get the good games for a fraction of the price - add extra tax to second hand sales - check

What they incorrectly assume:
1) All pirates would buy the game if they had no other choice - because you know they have mountains of gold like we (MS) do.
2) Everybody who buys a game second hand would also buy it first hand if he had no other option - because you know they have mountains of gold like we do.
3) Even thought we implement 1 and 2, it won't cost us a single paying consumer - you know those guys will just eat any crap we throw their way if we create enough hype.
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Agh but we also have the problem of getting the games here and all the tax that is put on them. When i stayed in the UK, spending 20 pounds on a game wasnt an issue
 
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