Yet again another strike due to hit
- Thread starter sycogrim
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Burn down a few of their mansions, Luthuli House, HQ, etc.As soon as someone says that, you know you are going to get "tightened".
So what do you suggest people do if they feel they are being exploited and management tells them to "try and understand"?
sycogrim
MyGaming Comp Authoritah
I would debate the fact that I will not receive the same amount of money that someone who works less hard than I do, secondly I would state that I have a right to present my statement as to why I deserve that 15% as apposed to the person whos about to receive 8%. I make it known that I do have a right to present a form of a review and if I cannot get amount I request then I would have to just deal with it.
You see, this part is where the system breaks down. And to most people this is just not acceptable.
Necuno
The Piper
It's a bit like getting a 4% increase being told there is no more money just to find out next year that the managers and above had a up too 30% increase before December.
And yes I've gotten a measly 3.5% this year due to above mentioned and last year's managerial increase was a lot more than that was even though we were told there just isn't enough money because A,B and C.
However I've been told this is capitalism and have to just deal with it. Alongside with that it's just tiring to be one of the very few in this country that does actually pay tax which supports anything but improvement of our lives.
sycogrim
MyGaming Comp Authoritah
And this is why unions should not exist because not only do they instigate these strikes but also indirectly speaking provoke people to cause malicious damage where possible. If unions were not around I can tell you now that people would be forced to deal with what is given to them and force them to push harder in their working place, in order to achieve better. Unions are only an excuse to allow people to take these breaks from work with full pay as well and it's not counted towards their leave days.
matt
Local caffeine junky
I'm going to throw in my 2c for the record.
I don't think that there can or should be total equality, just because employees themselves are not equal. Some people are hard working, efficient workers who care about the quality of their work, while others slack off and just turn up so they can get paid. Why should they get paid the same?
Also, paying everyone the same regardless of skill or productivity removes any incentive for people to try and actually do their job well.
I'm not saying that people should be trodden on or be paid unfairly low wages, which does happen, but that quality employees should be rewarded as such. Sure if wages are ridiculously low, the minimum wage should be upped to a reasonable level, but to just say that everyone should get the same amount regardless is unfair to those who deserve more, and who could be paid more if management didn't have to give everyone else a raise too.
This is why communism never worked out
I don't think that there can or should be total equality, just because employees themselves are not equal. Some people are hard working, efficient workers who care about the quality of their work, while others slack off and just turn up so they can get paid. Why should they get paid the same?
Also, paying everyone the same regardless of skill or productivity removes any incentive for people to try and actually do their job well.
I'm not saying that people should be trodden on or be paid unfairly low wages, which does happen, but that quality employees should be rewarded as such. Sure if wages are ridiculously low, the minimum wage should be upped to a reasonable level, but to just say that everyone should get the same amount regardless is unfair to those who deserve more, and who could be paid more if management didn't have to give everyone else a raise too.
This is why communism never worked out
Necuno
The Piper
Exactly, it be quite wrong to pay an employee R1 and another one R1 for the same job when the first one gives a lot more work done first time right without delay.
sycogrim
MyGaming Comp Authoritah
Exactly hence where Performance and Salary reviews come into play and that's my whole argument as to why Unions are a complete waste of time, and the thing is if the workers actually stopped and thought about it, they would realize that they are screwing themselves over worse than if they had reviews on an annual basis. I can tell you now and bet you that there are guys there that work extremely hard and probably a lot harder than others and yet they are getting the same shitty salary as their colleague who is just too damn lazy to care much for his job.
to0kenZA
New member
Those are probably the ones that get forced to go strike and then get shanked right in their own home of they don't want to.
Cicero
New member
You are dead on.
I know several people who work in the public sector in the Dept of Education, durban municipality etc, and there is absolute lazyness and disregard for the job in many areas. They have to hire 2 people for one role in most places, where in the private sector one person would be more than enough. Its also always pretty much a sure deal...once you're in, you can never be fired or let go. A guaranteed salary thank you! The unions make it easy for this kind of utter uselessness because they facilitate their strikes, causing ridiculous increases across the board and not allowing for individuals who excel to be rewarded justly. This in turn, causes those promising employees to not care as well, i mean, why should they?! Cocking up the whole situation. Its BS!!
Cicero
New member
I guess so, there's always going to be the slackers...but its rife in the public sector.
Weasley
New member
resign and get a better job. that what i did earlier this year and i am better of for it.
matt
Local caffeine junky
Here's another big problem with these kinds of mass strikes. A very small wage increase, say a few hundred Rand per person, across an entire industry segment can potentially cost billions, let alone the cost to GDP from the strikes (plus all the sympathy strikes), and the cost of repairing the damage that is often caused. These costs are paid for by taxpayers and consumers. The general cost of living goes up, and the people who needed the money in the first place end up worse than they were before and now they are underpaid again, so they strike again. It's a vicious cycle.
Cicero
New member
+1
And lets face it, there aren't enough tax payers around to bare the load already!
Ichigo
New member
I agree they only see money and not the consequences of their actions.
That sucks I think strikers who vandalise should do lots of community service or go to jail for 3 months. It should stop them from trying to do it again hopefully.
PaPaRaZZ!
New member
They should be locked up yes. Worst of all is these guys are burning things down, making the streets dirty but they have to do the cleaning of it again. I sometimes dont understand them.