Too many whites in Gauteng

Bodhi said:
This i kinda what I do, avoid all news in general(Except for gaming news ofcourse), makes me a much a happier person, but every now and then you can't help but read something, damn polical news articles on a gaming site:D
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Agree 100%! Thats why i didn't even bother reading it!
 
Hold on guys. If we read the article; at no point does it state that the Government is expressly planning to relocate millions of people just to appease its AA policies. That conclusion is drawn from the report published by Solidarity and not an legitimate motion put forth by government.

Clearly the wording of the report and the article in general was made to incense and to draw attention, and clearly it has been very successful in that regard.

I am not saying that AA is always a positive thing nor am I saying that we should defend the actions of the ANC. But we should also not be so quick to jump on the hate wagon that we jump to immediate conclusions or worse yet allow those conclusions to be drawn for us.
 
Snare said:
Hold on guys. If we read the article; at no point does it state that the Government is expressly planning to relocate millions of people just to appease its AA policies. That conclusion is drawn from the report published by Solidarity and not an legitimate motion put forth by government.

Clearly the wording of the report and the article in general was made to incense and to draw attention, and clearly it has been very successful in that regard.

I am not saying that AA is always a positive thing nor am I saying that we should defend the actions of the ANC. But we should also not be so quick to jump on the hate wagon that we jump to immediate conclusions or worse yet allow those conclusions to be drawn for us.
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That's actually a good point. It is very easy to jump to the conclusion that government is actually thinking of moving everyone around though, because they are always coming up with ridiculous ideas.
 
matt said:
That's actually a good point. It is very easy to jump to the conclusion that government is actually thinking of moving everyone around though, because they are always coming up with ridiculous ideas.
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Easy though it may be; that does not excuse doing it. If we can justify jumping to 'easy' conclusions; we rob ourselves of our intellectual integrity as well as creating a culture of pointing fingers and mis-blaming which makes it difficult, if not impossible, to make clear strides toward equitable social reform in our country.
 
While I know the article isn't factual at this stage the scary part is that I wouldn't put it past the ANC to try something like this.
 
Snare said:
Easy though it may be; that does not excuse doing it. If we can justify jumping to 'easy' conclusions; we rob ourselves of our intellectual integrity as well as creating a culture of pointing fingers and mis-blaming which makes it difficult, if not impossible, to make clear strides toward equitable social reform in our country.
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brendanvb said:
While I know the article isn't factual at this stage the scary part is that I wouldn't put it past the ANC to try something like this.
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[MENTION=12130]Snare[/MENTION], I think this (highlighted in BOLD) is the main reason we reacted the way we did.
 
Snare said:
Easy though it may be; that does not excuse doing it. If we can justify jumping to 'easy' conclusions; we rob ourselves of our intellectual integrity as well as creating a culture of pointing fingers and mis-blaming which makes it difficult, if not impossible, to make clear strides toward equitable social reform in our country.
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Very very true, the articles do imply that this is what government wants, although not how it plans to achieve it.
 
The Case

According to Solidarity, in the 2012 case it brought against the DCS on behalf of Christo February the state’s advocate argued as follows:

February could move anywhere in South Africa if the demographics in the Western Cape did not benefit him … Take North West for instance: the population is mostly black. They need a combination of black, coloured and white people. The idea is to fill the gaps.

“Therefore, it really is the state’s intention that people should move to those provinces where their number is under-represented. This is what they will formally argue in court.”

“Therefore, such statements are not just populist statements. Hence, people don’t have rights where they are living but will have to move to where they do have rights,” Hermann said.
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Well this is more a case done by Solidarity, but impact could be interesting. As stated earlier, I hope the courts laugh this out instead of thinking about it.

One goes where one must to make a living for oneself and ones' family. Not go where a piece of paper dictates one should go.

Can't find any other relevant info after their 2012 start to this farce.

*takes chill pill and has more coffee*
 
Iam3G said:
[MENTION=12130]Snare[/MENTION], I think this (highlighted in BOLD) is the main reason we reacted the way we did.
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It is also the main reason I am somewhat disappointed. I myself wouldn't put it past the current ANC to at least attempt something like this. However that does not mean we should automatically assume that they are currently doing so.

If we complain about unsolicited discrimination emanating from our government; and then turn around with unsolicited discrimination about them; what does it say about us?

I don't expect us to be happy with the government nor should we blindly follow in their ideals. I simply expect,(or rather expected), us to think clearly about the information we receive and draw conclusions based on evidence, fact and logic. The issue is that when you assume that someone will do something wrong; you immediately make it impossible for yourself to see any other options. Thus you choose to shackle yourself intellectually based on pre-conceived notions which then makes it hard to see things objectively.

Most of the country's ills are based within subjective thinking atop pre-conceived notions. If we choose to emulate this long standing tradition at what point is it possible to break out of it?
 
I heard, from a reliable source, that the ANC wanted to merge the Western Cape and the Eastern Cape as one, this is cause they want more black votes.I'm not lying on this.

They have been trying every dirty trick to get more of their followers into the Western Cape.

FYI, when it was the ANC's bday or whatever ,all those people that were in the stadium were NOT from the Western Cape, they were all flown and bused in from all the other provinces to make people believe they have a strong support in the WC.

Like I said before I got this from a reliable source,don't ask who.
 
KofDelight said:
I heard, from a reliable source, that the ANC wanted to merge the Western Cape and the Eastern Cape as one, this is cause they want more black votes.I'm not lying on this.

They have been trying every dirty trick to get more of their followers into the Western Cape.

FYI, when it was the ANC's bday or whatever ,all those people that were in the stadium were NOT from the Western Cape, they were all flown and bused in from all the other provinces to make people believe they have a strong support in the WC.

Like I said before I got this from a reliable source,don't ask who.
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The last round of protests etc regarding farm wages, take a wild guess where most of those lot came from - other provinces. I have one client running a few farms, all their workers were happy and wanted to be at worked, but they were threatened if they left home to go to work.

The current racism marches going on, same thing again. I won't deny I'm a little jaded nowadays but I'm not racist. I'm not even disrespectful when dealing with others from different races. Mutual respect goes a long way, but this stirring of the pot to get a mob growing is just petty.

How about the ANC leave the WC as it is and focus on their own governance instead? How many municipalities in WC are unable to pay their monthly expenses / how many are millions in debt / how many are at the least still functional (maybe not as efficient as we would like but the wheel does turn at least) ? Compare those numbers to the municipalities in the rest of SA.

Haal die balk uit jou eie oog, voor jy die splinter in myne sien.
 
Eish guy's, I don't know who to be more embarrassed off. That headline is so blatantly sensationalist it's not even funny.

It is nothing but hot air being blown out by retard politicians. From a constitutional point of view this is fundamentally against basic rights of free movement that it'll be a miracle if anyone, even Zuma's corrupt goons, in a *cough*democratic*cough* government manages to pull that off.

Contrary to what the media wants us to believe, we are not a dictatorship yet. Lets say we were, the amount of fighting this would cause against the government, and the amount of force they would need to use to pull it off, would simply not be worth it. Honestly, there is no point to be bothered by this because it will never happen. It's sensationalist news for a time when sensationalist news gets all the views, and level headed representation doesn't.

Rather worry about the bills and amendments Gov. wants to put forward, as outlined in the SONA. Because that stuff can easily happen.

KofDelight said:
I heard, from a reliable source, that the ANC wanted to merge the Western Cape and the Eastern Cape as one, this is cause they want more black votes.I'm not lying on this.
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Talking about this from 2012? I'll believe it when it happens. I'm very interested to know who your inside source is, because he must be like my friend who works in the CIA. :p

KofDelight said:
They were all flown and bused in from all the other provinces to make people believe they have a strong support in the WC.
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Now that I can believe.
 
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Sensationalist headline is sensationalist.

"Ironically, black Africans constitute the group of which the highest number, namely 1.3 million would have to relocate. Coloured South Africans, with a total of 1.2 million persons who would need to relocate, constitute the second largest group, the trade union’s research unit said." (And that doesn't include the 70% of KZN Indians who would have to move.)

The editor concerned clearly decided on that headline as pure click bait.

Solidarity does some great work in protecting the rights of SAs minorities, but they also like a fine bit of scaremongering on occasion too.

This suggestion would be akin to the forced removals and separate development policies of the old Nats, and would never stand up in a Constitutional test, imo.

As for the "reliably sourced" suggestion of the merging of EC and WC... The ANC led ideal of making WC "ungovernable" before the last elections failed dismally, despite all the bussed in protestors, free KFC lunch packs and Zuma emblazoned t-shirts.

If they did merge the two it wouldn't surprise me to see the ANC losing support to the DA in both regions. But it is as likely to happen as the WC seceding from SA and becoming an independent nation. i.e. not likely at all.
 
The_Imp_ZA said:
Talking about this from 2012? I'll believe it when it happens. I'm very interested to know who your inside source is, because he must be like my friend who works in the CIA. :p
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This is an on going battle with the WC, ANC and the Government, the topic has not been closed.
The WC is fighting to keep the provinces separate, these cases are costing hundreds of thousands, the ANC WANTS the WC. My source is reliable.
 
KofDelight said:
This is an on going battle with the WC, ANC and the Government, the topic has not been closed.
The WC is fighting to keep the provinces separate, these cases are costing hundreds of thousands, the ANC WANTS the WC. My source is reliable.
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They really do, they want the entire country, and I guess if they can't get the WC with votes, joining it with a province where they have more support would help win it for them. Damn sneaky, and defeating the point of democracy if you ask me
 
Don't do what some of us did, "news" headlines are just sparking reactions to get their numbers up.

The content of the article is interesting but it isn't as bleak as your first reaction to reading the first paragraph.
 
The_Imp_ZA said:
Eish guy's, I don't know who to be more embarrassed off. That headline is so blatantly sensationalist it's not even funny.

It is nothing but hot air being blown out by retard politicians. From a constitutional point of view this is fundamentally against basic rights of free movement that it'll be a miracle if anyone, even Zuma's corrupt goons, in a *cough*democratic*cough* government manages to pull that off.

Contrary to what the media wants us to believe, we are not a dictatorship yet. Lets say we were, the amount of fighting this would cause against the government, and the amount of force they would need to use to pull it off, would simply not be worth it. Honestly, there is no point to be bothered by this because it will never happen. It's sensationalist news for a time when sensationalist news gets all the views, and level headed representation doesn't.

Rather worry about the bills and amendments Gov. wants to put forward, as outlined in the SONA. Because that stuff can easily happen.



Talking about this from 2012? I'll believe it when it happens. I'm very interested to know who your inside source is, because he must be like my friend who works in the CIA. [emoji14]



Now that I can believe.
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Clearly though, sensationalist rhetoric drives the public opinion more tangibly than well reasoned thoughts and arguments. Just going by the reactions they have already received from this why would they even want to try a different tactic
 
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