No sign of Battlefield 3 on Steam

[to0kenZA]

I initially only posted to say I'm disappointed it won't be on Steam. You were the ones who started the entire tirade against those of us who want it on Steam. My post was spot on topic.



You're deliberately missing my point here. There is a chance I might get the game. If there's nothing else I want, I might end up getting the game. EVerything doesn't have to be either you get it or you don't. If I get it, it's not going to be for the multiplayer, because it's not my type of multiplayer game. It's going to be for singleplayer.

Also, maybe you should take a long, hard look at your backwards argument. You're getting worked up because I prefer my games on a certain platform and won't get it if it's not available there? Really? You're blowing the issue way out of proportion, yet you're telling me I'm using backwards logic?

No dude, I'm not the one trying to miss your point here.

I just really can't understand such an argument. I get worked up because you guys are upset that it's not releasing on steam anymore. Just a while ago everyone was all amped and shit for the game, but now that's it's not on steam anymore people freak out and all of a sudden they don't want to buy it anymore. That just doesn't make sense.

Now you guys turn the argument around trying to make it look like I'm attacking your preference in using steam instead of physical media. That was never my argument.

My argument is that I cannot believe people are seriously considering giving this a skip because it's not coming out on Steam anymore. I find that totally mind blowing and the only reasoning I could see behind that is that you have been totally disinterested in the game from the very beginning, leading up to the question- why are you even worried in the first place? Does that make sense?

Ogbuzz: all taken in stride, no worries.

Sadly, that disc was just the last in a long line of **** I have endured on the discs saga.
Scratched, dropped accidentally, lost, and heck... one of my older collectible discs got chewed up into hundreds of pieces by a drive that fizzed.

My main problem is not in essence the disk. It is the fact that 99% of the time, once the disc is damaged or lost or chewed... your game (or whatever content was on it) is now lost.
In some cases, it will even be downright impossible to replace.

With digital, at least I know my games are always there. My whole house can burn to the ground (prays that murphy takes a week leave), but it will still be there.

I might change that viewpoint if the game/content in question is so fantastical that it will forever change the way I breathe...
But no game has ever really come quite that close.

Yes, I want to play BF3.
Not as much as others... And tbh, I won't be any poorer if I miss out for [insert period of time] or for that matter never.

So to prove my point, where have I ever said that this was an unfair argument? Sure, that's totally understandable. But in this case, the game is not coming to Steam. That was my whole point. Eventually you will have to get the retail, physical copy or download it from origin, which I'm sure most of us are unsure at this stage if it will be similar to steam which keeps your games on an account, making it downloadable in the future if your PC should catch fire.

If that's not the case and you have to buy the actual disc, would you refuse and miss out on BF3?

 

[Graal]

Also, another reason I prefer Steam, is because my games are secure. Sure, Steam can ban my account, but only if I do something wrong. And sure, someone can hack and steal your account, but it happens very infrequently and Steam support will help if you can prove ownership of the account. But for all intents and purposes, your games are there, safe. They can't break, rendering you unable to play them at all until you buy them again. Nobody can steal your key from a keygen and use it to play online before you can get a chance to register, rendering you unable to access your multiplayer until you get it sorted out with the relevant company's tech support. Sure, Steam has it's issues, and quite often they break things, making you unable to play, but a few hours later, it gets fixed and you're ready to go again.

 

[wheunis]

My argument is that I cannot believe people are seriously considering giving this a skip because it's not coming out on Steam anymore. I find that totally mind blowing and the only reasoning I could see behind that is that you have been totally disinterested in the game from the very beginning, leading up to the question- why are you even worried in the first place? Does that make sense?

Is BF3 going to be awesome? Yes.
Do I want to play it? Yes.
Will I enjoy playing it? Probably Yes.
Am I willing to flake on my principles and decisions just to be able to play it? No.

When I make a decision, I do so very seriously. Some time ago, I made such a decision.
Just happened that I won't buy any optical disks again.

On a slightly related topic... there is a company out there atm, that are selling games on flash drives.
The drives have all sorts of copy protection and such, but that might be something I would consider.

BEST PART!!!!!
They will replace any short-circuited memory stick'd game - no questions asked. (Well you gotta pay shipping but whatever)
Now THAT is forward thinking.
Maybe some day they will start operating in SA...

 

[Isengard]

I get why you like Steam (I personally love it, in spite of it's many flaws), but for me it just seems a little illogical to ignore a game simply because it's not available through your favorite digital distributor.

 

[Graal]

Just a while ago everyone was all amped and shit for the game, but now that's it's not on steam anymore people freak out and all of a sudden they don't want to buy it anymore. That just doesn't make sense.

I was never amped for the game. I know more or less nothing about it except for the fact that it's a BF game. There was only ever a slim chance I might get it.

My argument is that I cannot believe people are seriously considering giving this a skip because it's not coming out on Steam anymore. I find that totally mind blowing and the only reasoning I could see behind that is that you have been totally disinterested in the game from the very beginning, leading up to the question- why are you even worried in the first place? Does that make sense?

I wouldn't call it disinterest, because there's always the chance that I might suddenly get amped for it and get the game regardless of steam. Right now, though, I just don't see what all the fuss is about.

If that's not the case and you have to buy the actual disc, would you refuse and miss out on BF3?

In my case, unless the game is earth-shatteringly awesome (which I doubt), most probably.

 

[to0kenZA]

I was never amped for the game. I know more or less nothing about it except for the fact that it's a BF game. There was only ever a slim chance I might get it.

I wouldn't call it disinterest, because there's always the chance that I might suddenly get amped for it and get the game regardless of steam. Right now, though, I just don't see what all the fuss is about.

In my case, unless the game is earth-shatteringly awesome (which I doubt), most probably.

Ok....So clearly you're not even interested, why then bother arguing with me in the first place? Sheesh, you know bru....

Is BF3 going to be awesome? Yes.
Do I want to play it? Yes.
Will I enjoy playing it? Probably Yes.
Am I willing to flake on my principles and decisions just to be able to play it? No.

When I make a decision, I do so very seriously. Some time ago, I made such a decision.
Just happened that I won't buy any optical disks again.

On a slightly related topic... there is a company out there atm, that are selling games on flash drives.
The drives have all sorts of copy protection and such, but that might be something I would consider.

BEST PART!!!!!
They will replace any short-circuited memory stick'd game - no questions asked. (Well you gotta pay shipping but whatever)
Now THAT is forward thinking.
Maybe some day they will start operating in SA...

So in this case, I ask you, why bother arguing with me? Why would there be any reason at all when you're not even getting the game? If you don't want to buy the disc, I'm not allowed to think that's ridiculous? I'm sorry dude, but I have an opinion too and I think that's such a waste. Maybe I'll buy you a copy later. Will you take a disc when you get it for free? Maybe that's the only way I'll get you to play it.

 

[Graal]

Ok....So clearly you're not even interested, why then bother arguing with me in the first place? Sheesh, you know bru....

Because you guys started arguing with us, after I merely said I probably won't be getting it if it's not on Steam.

Also, totally ignoring the fact that I said I'm exactly disinterested. While I might not really be interested, I'm not exactly writing the entire thing off either. But nvm, you've already made it abundantly clear that with you something is either black or white, with no grey areas in between, so I'm not even going to bother pushing the point.

 

[to0kenZA]

Because you guys started arguing with us, after I merely said I probably won't be getting it if it's not on Steam.

Also, totally ignoring the fact that I said I'm exactly disinterested. While I might not really be interested, I'm not exactly writing the entire thing off either. But nvm, you've already made it abundantly clear that with you something is either black or white, with no grey areas in between, so I'm not even going to bother pushing the point.

That's quite ironic that you say this, because that's exactly the same impression you've given me since the very first time I encountered you on this forum. Plus the fact that you probably like to argue about things that is probably of no interest to you? I don't get it dude, seriously, I don't.

 

[Blackhand]

I think EA is going to have to back down. Keeping the game off Steam might gain them a LITTLE market share in the digital distribution space, but is it really worth all the sales that will be lost? I don't think so.

I predict we will see BF3 on Steam shortly before release or shortly after when they have a clear picture on the sales impact.

 

[wheunis]

So to prove my point, where have I ever said that this was an unfair argument? Sure, that's totally understandable. But in this case, the game is not coming to Steam. That was my whole point. Eventually you will have to get the retail, physical copy or download it from origin, which I'm sure most of us are unsure at this stage if it will be similar to steam which keeps your games on an account, making it downloadable in the future if your PC should catch fire.

If that's not the case and you have to buy the actual disc, would you refuse and miss out on BF3?

I get why you like Steam (I personally love it, in spite of it's many flaws), but for me it just seems a little illogical to ignore a game simply because it's not available through your favorite digital distributor.

Gonna try get both in one reply.

With the purchase of my new PC a few months ago, I sat down to make a few careful decisions.
My laptop was mostly only used to play WoW on, and most everything else I played on PS3. Physical media was a huge thorn in my side with the PS3. 2 Games that I enjoyed a WHOLE lot, are today unplayable. Back to the story...

Sony decided to screw around with my personal details and everything else evil for the last decade I have supported them...
So I sold the PS3 and the remaining games.

I decided to go PC.
To accompany my new PC purchase I bought a game. 4 days later... see previous thread.

So I sat myself down... sick and tired and annoyed and pissed off so bad I could turn Hitler at any moment.
What to do from here on? I hate optical disks with a passion! There HAS to be a BETTER WAY!!! (infomercial lol).

OH! I KNOW! DIGITAL DISTROS!
So I took some time to research. I gathered up all the info on all the (then) current active platforms. Steam, GOG, D2D, etc.
I looked at their libraries, policies, support, pro's, con's, specials, reliability, security - everything that would matter in a digital distribution platform.
Was Steam perfect? HELL NO!
None of them were.

Isengard: your answer - It was never about favorites. It was a cold, calculated, and informed decision made on the facts at hand. Favorite never entered into it. If anything, I absolutely loathed Valve when they started forcing Steam into their retail games.

Continuing story.
So a decision was made. I am going digital. The platform that would best suit my needs will be Steam.
Further decisions were made. Questions popped up. "Why not use all of them?!" "What if a game comes out on only some?"

The answers to all those sorts was simple.
I want ONE place where ALL my games are. One platform. No exceptions.
I want nothing to do, ever, with discs. Digital, all the way.

The outcome of 3 days of research and careful consideration:
Steam.
If something doesn't get on Steam... pass it by. If it never gets on Steam - well nobody gets EVERYTHING they want EVERY Christmas...

I want absolutely nothing to do with discs. Buying a physical retail copy is right out of the question.
"BUT YOU CAN GET IT ON ORIGIN! OR D2D! WHATS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!?!?!"

See a few lines back. ONE place. ONE platform.

The last thing I want to end up with is sitting in my brand new comfy chair and wondering which platform whatever game was bought on...

So To0ken, your answer: Yes, I will miss BF3 (or any other game) if it does not come out on Steam. As stupid as that sounds, I understand why it might baffle you. I suppose the difference is that I don't take playing any given game that seriously, that I feel I would do anything just to play it. It's just a game. Everything is fine with or without it.

My coffee wont get cold faster or slower. My sammich wont taste better or worse for it.
And both those things are far more important to me than playing or not playing any particular game.


EDIT IN:

I think EA is going to have to back down. Keeping the game off Steam might gain them a LITTLE market share in the digital distribution space, but is it really worth all the sales that will be lost? I don't think so.

I predict we will see BF3 on Steam shortly before release or shortly after when they have a clear picture on the sales impact.

When and if that happens. I would be more than willing to pick it up and add it to my library.

 

[to0kenZA]

@Wheunis: Well, guess I won't be buying you that copy then

PS dude, maybe you're just not into gaming anymore? Maybe that's the bigger cause.

 

[Graal]

That's quite ironic that you say this, because that's exactly the same impression you've given me since the very first time I encountered you on this forum. Plus the fact that you probably like to argue about things that is probably of no interest to you? I don't get it dude, seriously, I don't.

What I'm trying to get through to you, is that I'm not entirely disinterested in it. Look, if the game manages to be anything other than Bad Company 2 with better graphics and new maps, I'll be interested. If not, I might get it once it goes on special somewhere.

I think EA is going to have to back down. Keeping the game off Steam might gain them a LITTLE market share in the digital distribution space, but is it really worth all the sales that will be lost? I don't think so.

I predict we will see BF3 on Steam shortly before release or shortly after when they have a clear picture on the sales impact.

Actually, Steam is apparently to blame for BF3 not being on it. http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1988092

Didn't read the entire thread, just the first few posts, so I'm not sure if it's entirely true.

 

[to0kenZA]

What I'm trying to get through to you, is that I'm not entirely disinterested in it. Look, if the game manages to be anything other than Bad Company 2 with better graphics and new maps, I'll be interested. If not, I might get it once it goes on special somewhere.

I'm pretty sure it will be dude.

Just be careful though, you'll have to buy the disc if it is!

 

[wheunis]

@Wheunis: Well, guess I won't be buying you that copy then

PS dude, maybe you're just not into gaming anymore? Maybe that's the bigger cause.

You have some accuracy to that. I haven't been "into gaming" for a looooong time.
I still enjoy playing some games. I still enjoy reading about and talking about games and such.
It is still my pass-time of choice.

I just haven't been at that point where one single game would bend, break, or even modify my views on the world at large for a long time.
If BF3 came out on Steam, and I purchased it, I would still play and enjoy it just as much as I do BC2.
But the bigger picture for me is this:

There are plenty of games out there. Not playing MOST of them is almost inevitable...

 

[Kiruna]

@Wheunis: Well, guess I won't be buying you that copy then

PS dude, maybe you're just not into gaming anymore? Maybe that's the bigger cause.

I'll take it if he don't want it.

 

[to0kenZA]

You have some accuracy to that. I haven't been "into gaming" for a looooong time.
I still enjoy playing some games. I still enjoy reading about and talking about games and such.
It is still my pass-time of choice.

I just haven't been at that point where one single game would bend, break, or even modify my views on the world at large for a long time.
If BF3 came out on Steam, and I purchased it, I would still play and enjoy it just as much as I do BC2.
But the bigger picture for me is this:

There are plenty of games out there. Not playing MOST of them is almost inevitable...

Well you see, for me it's great. I love playing games with my clan-mates and just talking crap on TS. It's relaxing. It takes gaming to another level. A more social level and that makes it a really fun pass-time. It's sucks that you're probably going to be missing out on that, but what can I say...

I have played one game for more than a year now. Online with friends. That's awesome value for money, but the only reason why I probably played it so long was because of the fun I had with other people while talking BS on TS all night.

I'll take it if he don't want it.

Nice try!

 

[Grimspoon]

I had to lol @ this thread

 

[OGBuzz]

Well you see, for me it's great. I love playing games with my clan-mates and just talking crap on TS. It's relaxing. It takes gaming to another level. A more social level and that makes it a really fun pass-time. It's sucks that you're probably going to be missing out on that, but what can I say...

I have played one game for more than a year now. Online with friends. That's awesome value for money, but the only reason why I probably played it so long was because of the fun I had with other people while talking BS on TS all night.

Yep Same applies over here

when first started jamming online there was no social aspect whatsoever, made friends online join a noobie clan and had laughs, i realized soon that i actually enjoyed this along with gaming, it added more for me. Almost everyday myself,To0ken and other are on the SS Clan channel and having a social whilst blowing the sheeet out if tanks and pulling of crazy flying maneuvers, the best part is hitting a helicopter with a tank shell across the map and screaming like a little girl with all the other members that too, saw that epic moment, for me this is important to my gaming experience, so much so that often when no one is online, it doesnt feel the same. its a social/gaming experience together that does it for me. This is the best part of online gaming for me.

And what To0ken says about hoping it comes on steam and what i said too, we hope it does Whenuis, we'd like you to also enjoy BF3 but ofcourse i and no1 else should dictate to you how you must acquire BF3 so long as its not stealing. here is to holding thumbs that it comes on steam man

 

[Isengard]

What I'm trying to get through to you, is that I'm not entirely disinterested in it. Look, if the game manages to be anything other than Bad Company 2 with better graphics and new maps, I'll be interested. If not, I might get it once it goes on special somewhere.



Actually, Steam is apparently to blame for BF3 not being on it. http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1988092

Didn't read the entire thread, just the first few posts, so I'm not sure if it's entirely true.

Looks legit: http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7372195.page

Silly Valve. As for the game, based on what I've seen, it looks like 10x the game BC2 was. I'm positive it's going to be brilliant.

 

[wheunis]

Actually, Steam is apparently to blame for BF3 not being on it. http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1988092

Didn't read the entire thread, just the first few posts, so I'm not sure if it's entirely true.

Naw.
I read further.
Seems like shenanigans from EA tbh.

They're claiming that Steam says no to them updating the game directly (outside of Steam).
I call bs, like others on that steam thread.
PLENTY of games on Steam RIGHT NOW use external updaters.

Looks to me like EA demanded to spam Steam users with ads and such crap, and Steam told them where to shove their spam and ads and crap.

If that be the case... Thanks Steam. Thumbs up from me if that is indeed what is happening here.