EA Origin wants to poke around all areas of your PC
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to0kenZA
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Lol, no dude, it won't. It turns out this is a pretty standard EULA clause. There's no need for it to change. People just need to stop panicking about nothing. I bet you some people are going to wait a year before the game and then ask you "So, dude, have they hacked your PC yet?". Then they missed out on a year of BF3.
The Joker
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Not the only reason why I went ahead and cancelled my Pre order. EA and Dice have gone way to far with the flaming of Activision, then the stupid stunt with the rigs breaking at gamescom, which in my opinion is still just a way to get publicity and I am sorry but when people/companies resort to shit like that it tells me they are scared. So EA and Dice stfu and let the epicness of your game do the talking. This little war with Activision is only harming you're own rep, so much so that people are canceling their Pre orders because of the daftness.
Weasley
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+1 that part of reason why ill wait for few reviews and checking it out before getting any of the 2
HavocXphere
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Show me one other EULA with that "standard EULA clause" in it.
You guys clearly have no idea how these lawyers operate, so allow me to highlight a few aspects:
BFBC2 said:
The Origin EULA is geared towards a large scale data mining operation. In order to facilitate this, the word "aggregate" disappeared. So instead of handing over some useless stats to 3rd parties they are handing over massive data sets. Due to the nature of these data mining ops, they don't need to "personally identify you"...they just need some unique marker. That they covered in the first part "information that identifies your computer". Of specific interest here is info that identifies your browser, specifically tracking cookies. That way the advertisers can link an existing tracking profile (internet habits) to a specific computer and by extension you. Then you get this part:Origin said:
So theoretically they can go scan through all your emails and documents looking for mentions of "impotence". This gets linked to tracker IDs [identifying your computer] and is then handed over to a 3rd party. Suddenly you see nothing but Viagra ads on all websites...despite you never having mentioned Viagra *anywhere*.
That is 100% within the limits set by the EULA. No info identifying *you* was ever handed over. I'm not saying EA will do this...the point is the clause is ridiculously wide & unnecessarily so. This has that "carefully crafted by hotshot lawyer" vibe all over it. When that is combined with a clause angled at anything that does not relate to the purpose of the contract [Selling you games] or legal liability [CYA] then its a sure sign that its time to run for the hills.
People don't understand how sophisticated these ad systems are. Perhaps a more real-life SA example: Some of you probably used the vodacom4me website a lot before it was scrapped to send SMSs from your computer. Ever noticed how the ads on there were always for businesses eerily close to you geographically? yep...they fed you ads based on triangulation of your cellphone in real time.
And I'm not guessing on that one...The last nail in the coffin for me.
BF3 made it to the low-end of my wishlist once Steam was ditched.
It got bumped to the very bottom of said wishlist with the announcement of Origin being mandatory.
Now, with this, it has gone right off the list - completely.
I value my privacy far too much. On a related note... Wasn't EA claiming that BF3 and others got pulled from Steam due to Steam restricting their interactions with "customers"?
...Suddenly one can see why...
If any company suggested they should be allowed to poke around your home if you used their product they'd be told to go to hell. Heck in some places you'd even have the right to put a few bullets into their little spies. Maybe ask questions later, but it's not mandatory.
What I'd like to see is widespread use of tools that send fake data back to the spyware these companies install.
What I'd like to see is widespread use of tools that send fake data back to the spyware these companies install.
RoosTa
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VSBFBC2 EULA said:
Origin EULA said:
ag·gre·gate
- formed by the conjunction or collection of particulars into a whole mass or sum; total; combined: the aggregate amount of indebtedness.
Uhm, ok .. how does the missing word aggregate change the meaning? So instead of collecting a huge chunk of data and then sending it to their servers, they now can continually send data to their servers.
I don't see the difference except for how the data is sent. Origin = online all the the time, where non-origin EA PRODUCTS would collect data when you're offline and send it as soon as the product is online.
I'm not saying its right/wrong, just stating that for all the years played EA games, its never harmed anyone.
The only reason this is news, is because the gaming websites also want to cash in on BF3's popularity.
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HoboMincer
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It is not the only game/company to do this. WoW had _live_ people that could drop in at any time and look at the other programs running in the background. This wasn't all they could do. Have you ever heard of someone WITHOUT a WoW account that gets emails for gold selling and for "your account is going to be suspended unless you repy to [email protected]". No? Didn't think so.
All companies sell on data and have been doing so since forever. Any of you have Facebook? Yeah. Well, don't think all your information is safe with them either. Any of you have a (proper - ie. not blackberry) smartphone? Big scandal a while back about how it tracks your every move and sells your information of where you work, where you shop, where you live etc. to whoever is interested.
I wouldn't be surprised if MW3 had something similar. I will still get the BF3. If MW3 has nice dedicated servers, I will probably get that too... However, I won't be preordering from anyone because murphey is a bitch. If I preorder, something will be so wrong that I never play the game. I'll wait until everything is released and I know what I'm getting into.
All companies sell on data and have been doing so since forever. Any of you have Facebook? Yeah. Well, don't think all your information is safe with them either. Any of you have a (proper - ie. not blackberry) smartphone? Big scandal a while back about how it tracks your every move and sells your information of where you work, where you shop, where you live etc. to whoever is interested.
I wouldn't be surprised if MW3 had something similar. I will still get the BF3. If MW3 has nice dedicated servers, I will probably get that too... However, I won't be preordering from anyone because murphey is a bitch. If I preorder, something will be so wrong that I never play the game. I'll wait until everything is released and I know what I'm getting into.
OGBuzz
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Jirrre okes
read the EULA's READ THEM!
Its not like they are doing anything different to steam? So many people jumping the gun here, really just take it easy.
Theres already sufficient evidence posted by tooks and RoosTa to keep you at ease yet many of you are falling for the hype and i must say MR JES has made it seem alot worse than what it is, but oh well you are brining more hits onto the site
Chaps, relax, if you must cancel your pre-order then do so but know this, you are only spiting yourself so if that's your goal them im afraid you wont achieve it.
read the EULA's READ THEM!
Its not like they are doing anything different to steam? So many people jumping the gun here, really just take it easy.
Theres already sufficient evidence posted by tooks and RoosTa to keep you at ease yet many of you are falling for the hype and i must say MR JES has made it seem alot worse than what it is, but oh well you are brining more hits onto the site
Chaps, relax, if you must cancel your pre-order then do so but know this, you are only spiting yourself so if that's your goal them im afraid you wont achieve it.
TimstaH
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AMEN
People will bitch, rant, ONOESENDOFDAYS!~!!~!!!! about all kinds of shit but in the end they will silently end up just buying the games they said they wont. If so, good for you
I dont really give a darn what they mine, ill be mining kills ingame
October 28th must hurry the fracks up
OGBuzz
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AMEN
People will bitch, rant, ONOESENDOFDAYS!~!!~!!!! about all kinds of shit but in the end they will silently end up just buying the games they said they wont. If so, good for you
I dont really give a darn what they mine, ill be mining kills ingame
October 28th must hurry the fracks up
dont worry the beta is coming in September
Grievous
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Jirrre okes
read the EULA's READ THEM!
Its not like they are doing anything different to steam? So many people jumping the gun here, really just take it easy.
Theres already sufficient evidence posted by tooks and RoosTa to keep you at ease yet many of you are falling for the hype and i must say MR JES has made it seem alot worse than what it is, but oh well you are brining more hits onto the site
Chaps, relax, if you must cancel your pre-order then do so but know this, you are only spiting yourself so if that's your goal them im afraid you wont achieve it.
Steam normally asks you the moment they are going to collect data from you. Also you get to view what they are gathering as far as i remember. Also they don't collect data on your usage of other programs. Steam its a once of data collection (What sort of cpu you have that sort of thing) where as origins is saying they going to monitor your usage of products. I don't mind every once and while saying cool have a look gather my info but being constantly monitored does not give me a good feeling.
to0kenZA
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Jirrre okes
read the EULA's READ THEM!
Its not like they are doing anything different to steam? So many people jumping the gun here, really just take it easy.
Theres already sufficient evidence posted by tooks and RoosTa to keep you at ease yet many of you are falling for the hype and i must say MR JES has made it seem alot worse than what it is, but oh well you are brining more hits onto the site
Chaps, relax, if you must cancel your pre-order then do so but know this, you are only spiting yourself so if that's your goal them im afraid you wont achieve it.
Ai, yes.. People are falling for the negative hype so that's a shame.
