Buying 2nd hand gaming components

Technological_Benchwarmer said:
Thanks man. i am pretty keen to get it. i did ask them to add a 1080p monitor to the quote and going to see how much that pushes it, i can spare +- 5k for that or am i being cheap?
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Yep that's more than enough for a normal 1080p monitor. At R5351 you could even for go 1080p @ 144hz - Here or 1440p at R4000 - Here. Which would be a better match for that 1070.
 
Technological_Benchwarmer said:
i see okay i like the idea of the spare SSD, I wont raid it but i will keep a updated VHD of the SSD on the 2TB drive so that i can just reimage if something happens.
this is what i got from Evetech:

Intel Core i5-7500 (3.4GHz, 6MB Cache, 4x Cores, 3.8GHz Turbo)

MSI Z170A PC MATE DDR4 USB 3.1 Gaming MB

MSI GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING X OC 8GB GDDR5 Card

Antec GX330 BLACK Clear Side Panel USB3.0 Case

500W 80+ High Performance Power Supply

12GB DDR4 2400Mhz High Performance Gaming RAM

Standard Heatsink & CPU Fan

2 x 120GB Ultra-Fast (240GB) SSDs Raid 0 Upto 900MB/s+

2TB WD 7200RPM 64MB Cache HDD

Integrated 8 Channel HD Audio

DVD-RW Not Supported - Not Included

Logitech MK235 Wireless Keyboard & Mouse Combo

Creative A250 2.1 Stereo Speaker System

Integrated Gigabit Network

2 Years (1st yr. Parts & Labour, 2nd yr. Labour only)
so basically the exact build and all for R20, 744.00
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Quick question, why 12 GB's of RAM? Which would be triple channel (3x4Gb's) when Kaby Lake only supports dual channel? I would rather have 2x8Gb's or 4x4GB's.
 
PsychoFish said:
1 x ram slot!=1x memory channel
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Well, now I know! Getting smarter every day!

Sorry, I worded my comment pretty badly, I was trying to say; 3 sticks is more of a triple-channel setup which would not utilise the Dual-channel function (which is pretty useless in real world applications) on the motherboard. It's just my personal preference to have a more symmetrical number 2x8Gb's or 4x4Gb's.
 
Glordit said:
Well, now I know! Getting smarter every day!

Sorry, I worded my comment pretty badly, I was trying to say; 3 sticks is more of a triple-channel setup which would not utilise the Dual-channel function (which is pretty useless in real world applications) on the motherboard. It's just my personal preference to have a more symmetrical number 2x8Gb's or 4x4Gb's.
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Yeah, it's not ideal. However the capacity is more of a factor than the speed, which is already fast.
 
PsychoFish said:
Yeah, it's not ideal. However the capacity is more of a factor than the speed, which is already fast.
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Glordit said:
Well, now I know! Getting smarter every day!

Sorry, I worded my comment pretty badly, I was trying to say; 3 sticks is more of a triple-channel setup which would not utilise the Dual-channel function (which is pretty useless in real world applications) on the motherboard. It's just my personal preference to have a more symmetrical number 2x8Gb's or 4x4Gb's.
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Yeah i was looking at that and was thinking of changing the quote to 2x 8GB sticks
 
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Technological_Benchwarmer said:
Yeah i was looking at that and was thinking of changing the quote to 2x 8GB sticks
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If you want the performance, rather get a 4 x 4GB kit as opposed to a 2 x 8GB kit, unless you plan on going 32GB in the future.

Let me try to explain RAM channels as simply as possible.

Depending on your Motherboard and CPU (This applies across the board for Intel/AMD as well as Laptop/Desktop/Server) your memory mode can be (1) Single Channel (2) Dual Channel (3) Triple Channel (4) Quad Channel (5) Flex

Single mode can also be called asymmetic mode and is used when only one DIMM is installed or when the memory capacities of more than one DIMM are unequal (very important that)

Dual-channel (interleaved) mode higher memory throughput and is enabled when the memory capacities of both DIMM channels are equal. So if your motherboard has 4 DIMM slots with slots 1 & 2 in Channel A and slots 3 & 4 in channel B. You can run 2 x 2GB modules in Channel A's slots and 2 x 8 GB is channel B's slot.

VERY IMPORTANT : To achieve dual-channel mode your memory modules need to be the exact same size per channel, however the slowest DIMM module populated in the system decides memory channel speed. Yes, SYSTEM, read that again.

Triple-channel interleaving reduces overall memory latency by accessing the DIMM memory sequentially. Data is spread through the memory modules in an alternating pattern.

Flex mode : This mode results in both dual and single-channel operation across the whole of DRAM memory.

Theoretically running Dual-Channel mode should allow faster transfer of data between the CPU and memory up to the maximum speed of the FSB (Front-Side bus); Slow(ish) FSB means your super fast overclocked gaming RAM might never reach its full potential.
 
PsychoFish said:
If you want the performance, rather get a 4 x 4GB kit as opposed to a 2 x 8GB kit, unless you plan on going 32GB in the future.

Let me try to explain RAM channels as simply as possible.

Depending on your Motherboard and CPU (This applies across the board for Intel/AMD as well as Laptop/Desktop/Server) your memory mode can be (1) Single Channel (2) Dual Channel (3) Triple Channel (4) Quad Channel (5) Flex

Single mode can also be called asymmetic mode and is used when only one DIMM is installed or when the memory capacities of more than one DIMM are unequal (very important that)

Dual-channel (interleaved) mode higher memory throughput and is enabled when the memory capacities of both DIMM channels are equal. So if your motherboard has 4 DIMM slots with slots 1 & 2 in Channel A and slots 3 & 4 in channel B. You can run 2 x 2GB modules in Channel A's slots and 2 x 8 GB is channel B's slot.

VERY IMPORTANT : To achieve dual-channel mode your memory modules need to be the exact same size per channel, however the slowest DIMM module populated in the system decides memory channel speed. Yes, SYSTEM, read that again.

Triple-channel interleaving reduces overall memory latency by accessing the DIMM memory sequentially. Data is spread through the memory modules in an alternating pattern.

Flex mode : This mode results in both dual and single-channel operation across the whole of DRAM memory.

Theoretically running Dual-Channel mode should allow faster transfer of data between the CPU and memory up to the maximum speed of the FSB (Front-Side bus); Slow(ish) FSB means your super fast overclocked gaming RAM might never reach its full potential.
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so i bought the following:
PC Case: [BLACK] Evetech FROZR ATX Gaming Case With 4x LED Fans
Power Supply: 500W 80+ High Performance Power Supply
Processor: Intel Core i5-7500 (3.4GHz, 6MB Cache, 4x Cores, 3.8GHz Turbo)
Heatsink & CPU Fan: Antec A30 CPU Cooler With Silent LED Fan
Motherboard: MSI B250 Gaming Pro Carbon DDR4 USB 3.1 Motherboard
Memory: 12GB DDR4 2400Mhz High Performance Gaming RAM
Graphics Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING X OC 8GB GDDR5 Card -
Sound Card: Integrated 8 Channel HD Audio -
Primary Hard Drive: 250GB Ultra-Fast SSD Upto 500MB/s+ Speed Solid State Drive
Secondary Hard Drive: 1TB WD Blue 7200RPM 64MB Cache HDD
LCD Monitor: [Special] Samsung 22" Slim 1920x1080 Full HD LED Monitor
Keyboard & Mouse Combo: Redragon S101 Gaming Keyboard & Mouse Combo
Mouse Pad: Redragon ARCHELON M Gaming Mousepad
Speakers: Creative A250 2.1 Stereo Speaker System
Warranty: 2 Years Return To Base (1st yr. Parts & Labour, 2nd yr. Labour only) - Included

and i must say its amazing i gave it a good test on battlefield 1 last night on ultra settings.
and i got smooth gmaeplay with Frames well over 70fps. its amazing! thank you for all your help
 
Technological_Benchwarmer said:
so i bought the following:
PC Case: [BLACK] Evetech FROZR ATX Gaming Case With 4x LED Fans
Power Supply: 500W 80+ High Performance Power Supply
Processor: Intel Core i5-7500 (3.4GHz, 6MB Cache, 4x Cores, 3.8GHz Turbo)
Heatsink & CPU Fan: Antec A30 CPU Cooler With Silent LED Fan
Motherboard: MSI B250 Gaming Pro Carbon DDR4 USB 3.1 Motherboard
Memory: 12GB DDR4 2400Mhz High Performance Gaming RAM
Graphics Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING X OC 8GB GDDR5 Card -
Sound Card: Integrated 8 Channel HD Audio -
Primary Hard Drive: 250GB Ultra-Fast SSD Upto 500MB/s+ Speed Solid State Drive
Secondary Hard Drive: 1TB WD Blue 7200RPM 64MB Cache HDD
LCD Monitor: [Special] Samsung 22" Slim 1920x1080 Full HD LED Monitor
Keyboard & Mouse Combo: Redragon S101 Gaming Keyboard & Mouse Combo
Mouse Pad: Redragon ARCHELON M Gaming Mousepad
Speakers: Creative A250 2.1 Stereo Speaker System
Warranty: 2 Years Return To Base (1st yr. Parts & Labour, 2nd yr. Labour only) - Included

and i must say its amazing i gave it a good test on battlefield 1 last night on ultra settings.
and i got smooth gmaeplay with Frames well over 70fps. its amazing! thank you for all your help
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But can it run Crysis?
 
PsychoFish said:
See you did end up going with the 12GB RAM
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i did yes but they messed up a bit in that while they were putting the beast together one of the RAM sticks was faulty and instead of putting an 8GB they put in another 4GB so it only came with 8GB that being said it still ram battlefield 1 on ultra smooth as all hell! but i am in talks with them they are going to courier the 8Gb down to me and i will sen the 4Gb up to them
 
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