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I'm reading the book Simple Chess ( as recommended by tallfred tx) and am struck by how technical chess can be. I am pretty much a self taught chess player (my father started me off) but am only now started to grasp the technicalities of the game.

As a result my playing style is simple and bumbling a lot of the time. I'm curious to know from others how they learnt how to play and what you are doing to improve your game.
 
I'm reading the book Simple Chess ( as recommended by tallfred tx) and am struck by how technical chess can be. I am pretty much a self taught chess player (my father started me off) but am only now started to grasp the technicalities of the game.

As a result my playing style is simple and bumbling a lot of the time. I'm curious to know from others how they learnt how to play and what you are doing to improve your game.

I played for the school chess team. Currently I improve my game by playing stronger players.

But perhaps getting a good book on chess is a very good idea.
 
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Hmmm is there any way to embed a pgn file on this forum? I will just paste the contents of the file. It's from the game that I'm the most proud of that I won against Sloth. He went on to beat me later when we played the same opening but this posted game felt like a milestone reached. The posted game is analyzed in its entirety by Fritz 13, English comments and all:

Well played in this game.It is one of those wins where the position was the reason for the win instead of the number of pieces on the board.

Did you import the game into Fritz 13 using the PGN game file generated by ChessConquest?
 
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I'm reading the book Simple Chess ( as recommended by tallfred tx) and am struck by how technical chess can be. I am pretty much a self taught chess player (my father started me off) but am only now started to grasp the technicalities of the game.

As a result my playing style is simple and bumbling a lot of the time. I'm curious to know from others how they learnt how to play and what you are doing to improve your game.

I learnt at the tender age of three from my mother. The first few years I got tips from various people. Then at age 10 I got my first chess book. Unfortunately it was the wrong book for me: It was "How Fischer plays chess" by David Levy. It's a good book, but it was bad timing. The result was that I sharpened my positional play wildly but that I was very sloppy in tactics and end game technique. I also spent way too much time on opening preparation. That has been the story of my life.

My current emphasis is to simply play for fun, but at the same time to look for the tactical opportunities for both me and my opponent.
 
Did you import the game into Fritz 13 using the PGN game file generated by ChessConquest?

I have imported many of my games into Chessmaster, and it works well. Could you please add the ratings of the players as they were at the commencement of the game to the PGN? The reason is that the date of the game is given as its start, and so it stands to reason that the rating should match the date given for the game.

Thank you once again for a fantastic site.
 
Hmmm is there any way to embed a pgn file on this forum? I will just paste the contents of the file. It's from the game that I'm the most proud of that I won against Sloth. He went on to beat me later when we played the same opening but this posted game felt like a milestone reached. The posted game is analyzed in its entirety by Fritz 13, English comments and all:

I have put this game through Chessmaster. I cannot possibly give the full evaluation by Chessmaster, as after each player's move it gives an evaluation of the position (+1.00 means that White is the equivalent of a Pawn up, for example) and the next few moves with best play. For that reason I have tried to distill Chessmaster's message into something that I can post. Here goes.


Solitude vs Sloth
1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.d3 Nf6
This is the end of Chessmaster’s book. Chalk up one to Fritz with a somewhat larger book.
6.Be3 O-O 7.h3 d6 8.Qd2
Fritz’s last book move
8...a6 9.Nge2 Rb8 10.O-O e6 11.f4 Bd7
So far Chessmaster reckons that White has gained a slight advantage: it evaluates at the position at +0.44. After White’s next two moves it reckons that the position is again equal. It presents 12. d4 cxd4 Nxd4 as the best continuation for White. Chessmaster’s evaluation of the next few moves shows that it does not approve of White’s throw-in-the-kitchen-sink king-side attack strategy. On the other hand, it constantly suggests the Black does more with his Queen-side Pawns, advancing the Pawn to b4, for example. As a result it constantly evaluates the position as more or less even.
12.g4 b5 13.Ng3 Qc7 14.Nce2 Ne8 15.f5
Chessmaster drops the evaluation from +0.12 to -0.37. It believes that Black has a slight edge for the next moves.
15...Bxb2 16.fxg6 Bxa1 17.gxh7+ Kxh7 18.Rxa1 Ng7
Chessmaster still reckons that 18… b4 intending 19… Ne5 and 20… Bb5 upholds Black’s advantage.
19.Rf1 f5
Chessmaster agrees that this move is a mistake, taking away Black’s slight advantage. Chessmaster evaluates the position at +0.99. Chessmaster's improvement is 19... f6 (evaluation -0.54)
20.exf5 +- exf5 21.gxf5
Chessmaster agrees that this costs White the advantage with identical reasoning to Fritz. Chessmaster reckons the situation is about level once more.
21...Nxf5 22.Be4 Ne7 23.Bh6 Rg8??
Chessmaster agrees that this gives White the advantage : evaluation +1.5. It agrees completely with Fritz’s assessment that 23… d5 is the correct move. Admittedly this line will not occur to weaker players simply because it sacrifices the exchange. We aren’t always good at understanding when improvements in mobility are worth more than slight losses in material.
24.Qf4 +- Kh8
Chessmaster agrees that this panicky move (evaluation 3.9) costs Black the game. It also says that 24...Rg6 25.Bg5 Re8 is Black’s best try, with evaluation 1.23
25.Kh2?
Chessmaster agrees that 25.Bg5 Rxg5 26.Qxg5 Rf8 wins faster.
25...Ng6
Instead of Fritzy’s 25...Be6 Chessmaster prefers 25… Rbe8 26 Bg5 Rgf8 27. Qg4 Rf7 28 Qh5+ Kg8 When Black weathers the storm for the time being at least.
26.Qg5 Nxg3
Chessmaster says that now it is mate in 8.
27.Rf7 Nxe4 28.Bg7+
Black resigns.
My conclusion: Fritz slightly shades Chessmaster on this game. What surprises me is how small the gap is, considering that Chessmaster is ancient. The one point of difference between the two programs is instructive: Fritz reckons that an active defence with some chances of regaining the initiative is better than a passive, drawn-out game that is bound to lose in the long run. Maybe this is a key lesson learnt by chess programs in the last few years: in effect chess programs have learnt from humans even more than we have learnt from them.

Thanks Solitude, this was an interesting game.
 
Hi peoples. Sorry that I haven't been playing or posting. My internet hasn't been working (Cell C) and the only time when I could really browse was at work and there I couldn't play any games. Plus work has been crazy busy this week. I hope to start playing again his morning since it looks like it's kind of working again.

I'm reading the book Simple Chess ( as recommended by tallfred tx) and am struck by how technical chess can be. I am pretty much a self taught chess player (my father started me off) but am only now started to grasp the technicalities of the game.

As a result my playing style is simple and bumbling a lot of the time. I'm curious to know from others how they learnt how to play and what you are doing to improve your game.

My dad also taught me the basics. Then in std 5 the primary school were looking for another player to fill their team so I thought I would give it a try. They let me play on A1, because I was the worst player. The idea being that I will lose but our strongest player will play on A10 and win. Sneaky but it worked for our team. We never got any coaching and I lost all my games but I enjoyed it. In high school I played quite well and played for our provincial B team. I was never taught the fundamentals though. I didn't know openings and played my own and I didn't know about controlling the center.

I only learned many of the fundamentals end of last year. Now I try to study the game properly. I would like to be good. I love the game. Oh and I started a chess training diary at Chess Tempo to help with the training: http://chesstempo.com/chess-forum/training_diaries/solitude-t3595.0.html

Well played in this game.It is one of those wins where the position was the reason for the win instead of the number of pieces on the board.

Did you import the game into Fritz 13 using the PGN game file generated by ChessConquest?

Thanks yotta. Whew I can't remember if it was one generated by ChessConquest. When ChessConquest wasn't able to create PGN files I created quite a few manually. And then later I got the other from ChessConquest. I'm not sure which one this one was. All your PGN files work perfectly though and it was awesome that you added it so quickly after being requested.

I have put this game through Chessmaster. I cannot possibly give the full evaluation by Chessmaster, as after each player's move it gives an evaluation of the position (+1.00 means that White is the equivalent of a Pawn up, for example) and the next few moves with best play. For that reason I have tried to distill Chessmaster's message into something that I can post. Here goes.

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My conclusion: Fritz slightly shades Chessmaster on this game. What surprises me is how small the gap is, considering that Chessmaster is ancient. The one point of difference between the two programs is instructive: Fritz reckons that an active defence with some chances of regaining the initiative is better than a passive, drawn-out game that is bound to lose in the long run. Maybe this is a key lesson learnt by chess programs in the last few years: in effect chess programs have learnt from humans even more than we have learnt from them.

Thanks Solitude, this was an interesting game.

Thanks for looking at the game tallfred. It's very interesting. Haha yeah that kitchen sink approach with move 15, giving up the rook, was with the idea that I can get the King exposed and get rid of the pesky bishop that guards it. It's amazing how during the game I thought I played so well but afterwards I see where I made mistakes.

Oh with Fritz it also shows the evaluation like Chessmaster where +1.00 is a pawn up but unfortunately it doesn't export it to the pgn file.... I wonder if there's maybe an option to do so. Hey and talffred, I found you at chess.com. :)

Man it's great to have internet again. :) Sorry, super long post!
 
Hi peoples. Sorry that I haven't been playing or posting. My internet hasn't been working (Cell C) and the only time when I could really browse was at work and there I couldn't play any games. Plus work has been crazy busy this week. I hope to start playing again his morning since it looks like it's kind of working again.

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Thanks for looking at the game tallfred. It's very interesting. Haha yeah that kitchen sink approach with move 15, giving up the rook, was with the idea that I can get the King exposed and get rid of the pesky bishop that guards it. It's amazing how during the game I thought I played so well but afterwards I see where I made mistakes.

Welcome back.

You played well Solitude. Remember that when you read analysis from Chessmaster and Fritz you are actually getting valuable advice from a Grandmaster. Take something the positives from the game: you chose a logical plan, you implemented it consistently, and gained rewards in the end. All of this against a strong opponent.

Also ask yourself whether you enjoyed attacking the opponent with an all-out assault. If so, try doing it again. If you are successful more often than not, you may want to incorporate an attacking approach into your style. Be yourself. Study the computer analysis and take what it says seriously, but stay true to yourself. Remember that chess is not about a computer evaluating a position: it is about recognizing your strengths and employing them to your advantage.

Yes, I am on chess.com, but only very rarely.
 
I'm also on chess.com, mostly for the excellent tactics trainer and video lessons. Working through the lessons on Chessmaster XI and playing some games on Fritz 13.

Can someone please point me to a local online chess store? Or a decent chess shop in Johannesburg? Looking for a tournament edition Staunton style chess set. White/Green squares foldable vinyl set. Like this :
http://www.chesssets.co.uk/economy-chess-sets/gambit-tournament-roll-up-chess-set

Any ideas where I can get a similar set?
 
hi all,
Hope you had a great holiday and got enough rest. All the best for the year ahead.

I just finished a game against Eitze where i played some moves which i don't know where they came from, the game was over very quickly as my opponent resigned after the 13th move. I really like my move #10.
I have exported the pgn and imported it to chessmaster which i have never done before, to analyze the game but some how it does not want to work.
On CC it is Game 5320: Horlicks00 vs Eitze.
Can any one please tell me how to get it analyzed in Chessmaster?
Take care.
 
Hi Horlicks00. I don't know about Chessmaster but I let Fritz analyze it for you while I was getting ready for work.

Good game! :)

[Event "Epic Deep Thought I"]
[Site "www.chessconquest.com"]
[Date "2011.12.04"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Horlicks00"]
[Black "Eitze"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Annotator "Fritz 13 (30s)"]
[PlyCount "25"]
[EventDate "2011.??.??"]

{A00: Irregular Openings} 1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 d4 3. Nd5 {last book move} f5 (3...
e6 4. Nf4 $15) 4. d3 (4. Bc4 Nc6 (4... fxe4 $2 {fails to} 5. Qh5+ Kd7 6. Ne2
$18) 5. exf5 Bxf5 $11) 4... e5 {White has a cramped position} (4... Nc6 $142
$15) 5. Qe2 $4 (5. Qh5+ $142 {would be a reprieve} g6 6. Qg5 $15) 5... c6 $19
6. Ne3 (6. c4 cxd5 7. exd5 Bb4+ 8. Bd2 Bxd2+ 9. Kxd2 Nd7 $19) 6... dxe3 7. exf5
$6 {not the greatest defence} (7. Bxe3 c5 8. exf5 Bxf5 $19) 7... Bc5 (7... Qa5+
$142 {keeps an even firmer grip} 8. c3 Bxf5 9. fxe3 $19) 8. Bxe3 Na6 (8... Bxe3
9. Qxe3 Qd4 10. Qxd4 exd4 11. g3 $19) 9. Qh5+ (9. Bxc5 $142 Nxc5 10. O-O-O Qg5+
11. Kb1 Bxf5 12. Qxe5+ Ne6 13. Nf3 $19) 9... g6 $4 {lets it slip away} (9...
Kf8 $142 {and Black is on the road to success} 10. O-O-O Nf6 $19) 10. fxg6 $18
Nf6 (10... Kf8 {what else?} 11. Qxe5 Nf6 12. Bxc5+ Nxc5 13. Qxc5+ Qe7+ 14.
Qxe7+ Kxe7 15. gxh7 Rxh7 $18) 11. g7+ Nxh5 (11... Kd7 {no good, but what else?}
12. Qf7+ Be7 13. gxh8=R Qxh8 $18) 12. gxh8=Q+ Ke7 (12... Kd7 {hoping against
hope} 13. Qxh7+ Qe7 14. Qxh5 Bxe3 15. fxe3 Qb4+ 16. Kf2 Qxb2 $18) 13. Bg5+ (13.
Bg5+ Kf7 14. Bxd8 $18) 1-0

For those who don't know, Chessbase Light 2009 is free and probably the best way to read the pgn files and to nicely store a database of your own games. :)
You can get it here:
http://www.chessbase.com/download/index.asp
Then select Chessbase Light 2009 in the drop down menu to download it. It's not very big.

So you can just paste the quoted game (sorry you probably already know this but for those who don't) into notepad and save it as a .pgn file. I think you may actually be able to just paste the text directly into Chessbase Light, will have to check.

Oh well, better go to work! :)
 
This is Chessmaster's analysis, and my comments.

White: "Horlicks00"
Black: "Eitze"

1.e4 d5 2.Nc3 d4 $6
Chessmaster prefers Nce2
3.Nd5 f5 4.d3 e5 5.Qe2 ??
Chessmaster reckons that this is a serious error, with what should be
a decisive advantage for Black. Chessmaster suggests Bg5, leading to
5...Qxg5 6.Nxc7+ Kd8 7.Nxa8 Bb4+ 8.Ke2 fxe4 9.dxe4 Qf4 10.Qd3 Nf6
11.f3 Be6 with a very slight edge for Black.
5...c6 6.Ne3 dxe3 $6 7.exf5 ?!
Chessmaster suggests Bxe3 instead
7...Bc5
This takes some of the pressure off White. Slightly better is exf2+.
8.Bxe3 Na6 ?!
Black should be swapping Pieces off with 8...Bxe3.
9.Qh5+ !?
Objectively better is 9. Bxc5 Nxc5 10.O-O-O Qg5+ 11.Kb1 Qxf5 12.d4
Ne6 13.Qxe5 Qxe5 14.dxe5 Ne7 15.Nf3 b5 16.Be2 O-O with advantage to
Black
9...g6 ??
Chessmaster identifies this as Black's most significant error. 9...
Kf8 would have preserved Black's advantage. Now White goes on top.
10.fxg6 Nf6 ?
Another mistake for Black. 10...Kf8 11.Qxe5 Nf6 12.Bxc5+ Nxc5
13.Qxc5+ Kg8 14.gxh7+ Rxh7 15.Be2 Rg7 16.g3 Be6 17.Nf3 Kh8 18.h3 would
have controlled the damage.
11.g7+ ! Nxh5 ??
Black donates some more material. After 11...Kd7 12.Qf7+ Kd6
13.gxh8=Q Qxh8 14.Nf3 Bxe3 15.fxe3 b5 16.Ng5 Bf5 17.O-O-O Bg4 18.Re1
puts up a bit more of a fight.
12.gxh8=Q+ Ke7 ??
The biggest blunder of them all. After 12...Kd7 13.Qxh7+ Qe7 14.Qxh5
Black keeps his Queen.
13.Bg5+ 1-0
 
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