EA Origin wants to poke around all areas of your PC

No Origin equals no Battlefield 3, a rather disheartnening decision.
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1 of the reasons why I had to cancel my BF3 order. The game might be brilliant, but DICE and EA are turning into idiots, flamming their competition, not the way to win over fans, and then this crap..GL and God Speed
 
Smart Move Joker!! And here I was more concern bout Huge Patches on day 1 like BFBC2 & Hit Reg etc guess it just gets better and better. What can you say there name is dice & ea.
 
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oh no this going to get ugly
 
The Joker said:
1 of the reasons why I had to cancel my BF3 order. The game might be brilliant, but DICE and EA are turning into idiots, flamming their competition, not the way to win over fans, and then this crap..GL and God Speed
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Nice move.

But they are not the only ones that do this. A lot of applications that you are currently running on your PC do exactly the same thing. People never read EULAs...Good thing you did.
 
no wonder there is no steam or not available on steam :) they made there own wait thats why the pcs fried at gamescon!!! I got Millions of jokes on this game maybe I Must stop before BF3 players get angry at me and not Dice & EA :P ok im leaving now guys... last one that software will check if mw3 is installed and uninstall it.. buhhahaha...
 
Rofl DaBoss xD


Anyway, concerning this article. I will reserve my comments until I know more about what's going on with this maneuver. Not sounding very promising though.
 
TheAvenged87 said:
Nice move.

But they are not the only ones that do this. A lot of applications that you are currently running on your PC do exactly the same thing. People never read EULAs...Good thing you did.
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True but the hype surrounding the game is now turning ugly, The closer it gets to launch the more of this crap comes crawling out from under the carpet...I really wanted to play BF3..but for now I'll be sticking to MW3.
 
The Joker said:
True but the hype surrounding the game is now turning ugly, The closer it gets to launch the more of this crap comes crawling out from under the carpet...I really wanted to play BF3..but for now I'll be sticking to MW3.
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All this negative news really is saddening, and they were doing so well before EA decided to shove Origin down everyone's throats...
 
The Joker said:
True but the hype surrounding the game is now turning ugly, The closer it gets to launch the more of this crap comes crawling out from under the carpet...I really wanted to play BF3..but for now I'll be sticking to MW3.
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A lot of people are opting for that route. This whole Origin thing is still pretty "mysterious" at the moment, I'll have to do a little more reading up on it. I'm sure if this happens with BF3, it will be happening in the EULAs of plenty other EA games coming out on the PC.

I think I'll get this on one of the consoles then...
 
im sure everything will be fine and its just silly stuff popping up now before the release of the game, but then again ....
 
daBoss said:
im sure everything will be fine and its just silly stuff popping up now before the release of the game, but then again ....
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I'm pretty sure it will be fine as well. No use to jump to conclusions just yet. What's the worst that can happen, I mean, really... If they access your personal files that's another story, and fraud. I'm sure they won't go that far. I have no problem with them monitoring my hardware though.
 
Wait for someone in America (The country of the free , the brave and the lawyer crazy corn dog eaters)
Yes ! Someone there will sue EA and the EULA will change.
Im waiting for it like you wait for the sound of a crash when you see a car speeding around a corner into oncoming traffic.
 
to0kenZA said:
I'm pretty sure it will be fine as well. No use to jump to conclusions just yet. What's the worst that can happen, I mean, really... If they access your personal files that's another story, and fraud. I'm sure they won't go that far. I have no problem with them monitoring my hardware though.
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Tooks, you really should be worried if this is the case ... a lot of bad stuff can happen with them having full access to all your details/PC.

I have canceled my pre-order
 
the following says it the best .................... the actor died to early :'(

You know... You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan." But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds!

Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair!
 
Mephisto_Helix said:
Tooks, you really should be worried if this is the case ... a lot of bad stuff can happen with them having full access to all your details/PC.

I have canceled my pre-order
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My bru, I'm busy reading about it now. It doesn't seem all that bad.


First of all, let me start of by posting this article:

From Rock Paper Shotgun (Source):

As spotted by the canny denizens of the Escapist forum, there is a quite extraordinary clause in the EULA of EA’s new game service, Origin. One that may well make you think twice about letting the software on your PC. Under the title of “Consent to Collection and Use of Data”, the clause states that by installing Origin you are giving EA permission to “collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer, operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.”

Which is to say, if you want to play Battlefield 3, or any other game that will require Origin to run, you’re going to have to agree to that.

The full clause reads,

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA’s Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control.

It’s not unusual for such software to collect information from your computer relating to itself, and it’s not unknown that using that software means you agree to this information being distributed anonymously to third parties. Steam, for instance, warns that it will,

“store information on a user’s hard drive that is used in conjunction with online play of Valve products. This includes a unique authorization key or CD-Key that is either entered by the user or downloaded automatically during product registration. This authorization key is used to identify a user as valid and allow access to Valve’s products. Information regarding Steam billing, your Steam account, your Internet connection and the Valve software installed on your computer are uploaded to the server in connection with your use of Steam and Valve software.”

But there’s a significant difference. Valve’s policy is self-restricted to anything on your PC directly relating to its own products. EA’s is so broad that it gives the publisher permission to scan your entire hard drive, and report back absolutely anything you may have installed, and indeed when you may use it, and then pass that information on the third parties.

Now, they may well mean for this clause to provide them the same opportunities as Valve’s and others’, intending only to allow information about the use of Origin, and Origin-run software, to be fed back to their sinister super-computers. It could simply be in place to provide a better service for Origin customers. But crucially, that’s absolutely not what you’re agreeing to when you absently click “Agree” during the install. What you’re agreeing to is for EA to have a free pass to scan your PC and gather absolutely anything it wants.

And then even more creepily, they say they intend to take such information, combine it with personal information about you, and use it to advertise directly to you. However, when selling on this free-for-all on your computer’s contents, they’ll at least remove personally identifying information. Gosh, thanks.

It strikes us as beyond acceptable. And so much more serious now that EA has made its intentions clear to make so many of their games exclusively delivered through Origin. Were there a choice about what you’d use to play Battlefield 3, Mass Effect 3, etc, then gamers could opt out of allowing Origin on their systems while such a policy is in place. But instead it’s a case of agree to such remarkable terms, or don’t play their games at all.

We’ve contacted EA to ask if they understand gamers’ shock at this policy, and to find out if there is any chance of its being revoked, or heavily re-worded. This isn’t an issue over publishers having their own distribution services, and Origin works fine for me. But when you’re asked to give up such fundamental personal information to be able to use it, and when it’s the only option to play games, this becomes an extremely serious matter.

This is of course the second time the wording of Origin’s EULA has caused concern, with previous worries that they were reserving the right to delete accounts after two years of inactivity, which they’ve since put at rest. We’ll let you know as soon as we hear anything back from EA.

Edit: Some have pointed out that similar clauses have been in previous EA EULAs. Two things: Firstly, often it was optional whether you played those games online, and as such sent such data. Secondly, that doesn’t make it okay! It’s still an enormous violation of privacy that deserves being addressed.
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Here's a quote from Steam's privacy policy:

taken from Steams privacy policy

“By using Valve’s online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Valve shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.

“Aggregate information” is information that describes the habits, usage patterns, and demographics of users as a group but does not describe or reveal the identity of any particular user.

“Individual information” is information about a user that is presented in a form distinguishable from information relating to other users but not in a form that personally identifies any user or enables the recipient to communicate directly with any user unless agreed to by the user in advance of such communication. This information may be used to improve Valve’s products and online sites, for internal marketing studies, or simply to collect demographic information about Valve’s users.”

http://www.valvesoftware.com/privacy.html

That doesn’t seem to jive with what random poster from some other board you copy and pasted from, or it seems what he was talking about is in regard to the surveys only.

How is this different than EA privacy policy?
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I think people are seriously overrecting, because this game is getting way too much attention now from all kinds of people and I think this is the first time that many people have ACTUALLY read an EULA. I think that most EULAs contain clauses like these, people just never read it.

I've seen "dodgy" clauses in many different types of contracts and agreements, not just in gaming, and just because it's there doesnt mean people will use it to expolit you? I really think this has been blown way out of proportion.

Or is this a sign of the coming of the New World Order? :P


To end with, here's a another quote from a different website:

Well this is an original thread........ search is unnecessary, there's already 5 more FF$

again,

Google Chrome EULA prior to a massive lalalalastorm in 2008

Quote:
"give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and nonexclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services."
"services" referring to "Google’s products, software, services and web sites."

This is actually a pretty typical EULA. Microsoft, Apple, Oracle- they all have similar clauses. Try reading through the 60 page iTunes EULA some time, it'll probably scare the s*** out of you.
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Seriously people, just go re-order your game already.


kerbyross said:
Wait for someone in America (The country of the free , the brave and the lawyer crazy corn dog eaters)
Yes ! Someone there will sue EA and the EULA will change.
Im waiting for it like you wait for the sound of a crash when you see a car speeding around a corner into oncoming traffic.
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And I'm waiting for people to go re-order their games just like you're waiting for that sound.
 
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yeah ive got bfbc2 right next to me on the shelve its just I didnt like how they handled it. Most hours playing it according to xfire is 4 :/ after that I decided never to buy a DICE game again. Dont get me wrong visual on the game looks amazing and all. Its just it doesnt do it for me. I will stick to MW3 and hope and prey there Dedicated servers is actually like COD4MW. When I do get a feel of BF3 by playing by someone or get to play the demo i'll maybe reconsider but till then naaaaaaah.
 
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