Ellen Page's moving speech at the Time to Thrive Conference

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Clive Woofer said:
Homosexuality is not a decision, you numbnuts! Which part of this do you find hard to understand?

When my best friend committed suicide in high school, the suicide note did not read that he refused to change to heterosexuality after his family refused to accept his 'decision', it read that he couldn't help that he was gay and his family didn't accept that it was something he couldn't help. You should be fucking grateful this exchange is happening on the internet where the worst I can do is neg-rep you, because if you demoted my friend's death to him being unwilling to make a 'decision', I would knock you flat on your ass. My friend killed himself because of people like you. On his funeral I told his parents that I blamed them and I have no problem telling people like you that I also blame you for these tragedies and generally shitty circumstances many LGBT people have to live under.

Maybe you wouldn't receive so much derision on these forums if you weren't such an, excuse the word, cunt. As long as you keep perpetuating your homophobic filth, innocent teens like my friend will keep living in fear, shame and depression. You don't get a free pass to be a cunt just because it forms part of your religion, and nobody should be forced to respect a religion that is steeped in hate. Homosexuality is not a choice. That notion is a lie being perpetuated by brainwashed religious people with their heads so far up their asses, they can taste what they had for breakfast.

tl;dr, fuck you. Sorry for everyone else who has to read this rant, but I find it very difficult to control myself around people who are so self-righteous that they not only spread these filthy lies, but believe they're being victimized when they're called out on it. They're pathetic excuses for human beings.

And now I'm going to have to excuse myself from this thread, because I don't want to make the situation even worse than I already have.
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Well said, and very sorry to hear about your friend.
 
Neo said:
I have issues with it because it goes directly against my religion. However, I don't shout obscenities at them as they walk by. I just don't agree with it. You're telling me that I "have" to accept and agree with someone's choices in life? If that's the case, go talk to some Jewish folks and mention that Hitler "wasn't such a bad guy".

What this thread proves is one thing: people will bash whoever and whatever they feel like. There is f@#$-all respect left in this generation.
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Hitler has nothing to do with the religion of Judaism, apart from trying to kill all of it's followers.

I despise it when people can hide behind their religion as justification for saying something brainless. You can't say come here and say that you have issues with someone's life choices and then in the same post say people have no respect for yours.
 
Ye I think this thread has reached rock bottom with the last few posts ....... really not something we need to read when we have female members.
 
Neo said:
I have issues with it because it goes directly against my religion. However, I don't shout obscenities at them as they walk by. I just don't agree with it. You're telling me that I "have" to accept and agree with someone's choices in life? If that's the case, go talk to some Jewish folks and mention that Hitler "wasn't such a bad guy".

What this thread proves is one thing: people will bash whoever and whatever they feel like. There is f@#$-all respect left in this generation.
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Dude. How many times do you have to hear it?

It's not a choice. No matter how hard you believe that it is, it's not going to change that fact.
 
StaggerLee said:
Dude. How many times do you have to hear it?

It's not a choice. No matter how hard you believe that it is, it's not going to change that fact.
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I know some gay/lesbian people who would whole heartily disagree with your remark. I think society spends too much time trying to stick homosexuality into one of its little boxes rather than just letting people getting on with their lives.

Here is a nice image that expresses my feelings for on the subject.

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Neo said:
I have issues with it because it goes directly against my religion. However, I don't shout obscenities at them as they walk by. I just don't agree with it. You're telling me that I "have" to accept and agree with someone's choices in life? If that's the case, go talk to some Jewish folks and mention that Hitler "wasn't such a bad guy".

What this thread proves is one thing: people will bash whoever and whatever they feel like. There is f@#$-all respect left in this generation.
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Look man; I am Christian myself; so I will leave it to this..

Matthew 22:35-40
 
I'm Christian and if I'm fond of reminding myself of a token law in my religion: Thou shall not judge.

Love who you want, how you need to in order to be loved. Love is the toughest, and the most paralyzingly powerful of emotions. Some people are born without the ability to reproduce, other's are born able to intimately love both sexes, or their own.

I've never seen the point of isolating the people who choose to love differently, only ever respected them for beng honest to themselves and those around them. The lie hurts everyone.
 
Neo said:
1. I have issues with it because it goes directly against my religion.
2. However, I don't shout obscenities at them as they walk by.
3. I just don't agree with it.
4. You're telling me that I "have" to accept and agree with someone's choices in life?
5. If that's the case, go talk to some Jewish folks and mention that Hitler "wasn't such a bad guy".
6. What this thread proves is one thing: people will bash whoever and whatever they feel like.
7. There is f@#$-all respect left in this generation.
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1. I'm gay. My religion is fine with it. Religious views are a poor excuse to discriminate - on any level.

2. Gee, thanks. Your attitude and disdain are more than enough to perpetuate the hate machine, though.

3. That doesn't make your position any stronger than ours. Just an uninformed, and incorrect, one.

4. We're not telling you that you "have to" do anything. We're saying that, just as you have your right to an ignorant viewpoint, we have the right to call you out on it. Surely the same rules should apply? Go see my previous post. You do not "own" the right to feel victimised for your views on this matter. Your views are the "oppressive" ones.

5. Funny you mention Hitler, because what you're doing is like Hitler going "Gosh guys, this is just what I believe, stop oppressing my views!". Incidentally, Hitler hated the gays too. See how easy it is to use Hitler as a pathetically weak argument tool?

6. See point number 4. Stop playing victim. Your opinion is the one that discriminates against a minority based on false assumption and ignorance.

7. You show me your respect, and I'll show you mine.

If you're feeling a bit ganged up on, maybe reflect on how that's how every gay person feels when they meet people like you, who share your same "you're wrong because I believe so" attitude, and how that feeds into our very identity, and can lead to some terrible, sad and crushing experiences.

If neg rep on a forum is the most oppression you've felt in your life, then you are clearly out of your depth in this discussion.

Check your privilege.
 
Just a suggestion: Maybe we should avoid the religious aspect of this discussion, just to save ourselves a lot of grief.

Use it/don't use it.
 
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Stunt said:
I'm Christian and if I'm fond of reminding myself of a token law in my religion: Thou shall not judge.

Love who you want, how you need to in order to be loved. Love is the toughest, and the most paralyzingly powerful of emotions. Some people are born without the ability to reproduce, other's are born able to intimately love both sexes, or their own.

I've never seen the point of isolating the people who choose to love differently, only ever respected them for beng honest to themselves and those around them. The lie hurts everyone.
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Exactly. Whenever I consider passing judgement on a fellow human on this earth I remember what the Lord said...

Matthew 7:1 - 5
 
Stunt said:
I'm Christian and if I'm fond of reminding myself of a token law in my religion: Thou shall not judge.

Love who you want, how you need to in order to be loved. Love is the toughest, and the most paralyzingly powerful of emotions. Some people are born without the ability to reproduce, other's are born able to intimately love both sexes, or their own.

I've never seen the point of isolating the people who choose to love differently, only ever respected them for beng honest to themselves and those around them. The lie hurts everyone.
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Great post Stunt but we must also remember that everyone is entitled to there beliefs no one has the right to tell another person what is wrong or right.
 
Don't have time to watch the video or go through the whole thread now. I'll check it out later. But since there is a big debate going on about the right/wrong of homosexuality, let me just say that to disapprove of someone because of their sexual orientation is incredibly narrow-minded. It's not something they can choose, it's not something that does any harm to anyone else, and really, there's nothing at all wrong with it. It's just a part of who someone is. It doesn't mean someone is a better or worse person. In fact the only difference it should make in how you see someone is that it would affect your chance to score with them depending on your relative genders and preferences.
 
XbatousaiX said:
Great post Stunt but we must also remember that everyone is entitled to there beliefs no one has the right to tell another person what is wrong or right.
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Actually, we do have those rights, generally enshrined in basic human rights. You murder someone in cold blood for not buying wards in Dota 2 and I'm not allowed to tell you it was wrong?
 
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