Ellen Page's moving speech at the Time to Thrive Conference

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Everyone is screaming tolerance but no one is tolerating neos beliefs. It is his right not to agree with it. As long as he isn't going around bashing their heads in and making their life hell. I mean he isn't putin :p

I don't care what a persons sexuality is.
 
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Great post Stunt but we must also remember that everyone is entitled to there beliefs no one has the right to tell another person what is wrong or right.

Typically I agree - but if you tell me you believe being gay is a choice, you can bet your ass I'm well within my rights - as a gay person, who would know - to tell you that you're wrong.

The position of heterosexuals - who have no experience of being gay - to make an assertion like that is completely and utterly ridiculous. It's academically repugnant.
 
Everyone is screaming tolerance but no one is tolerating neos beliefs. It is his right not to agree with it. As long as he isn't going around bashing their heads in and making their life hell. I mean he isn't putin :p

I don't care what a persons sexuality is.

There were already a few posts in this thread on tolerating intolerance. Go back and check them out.
 
Dammit, I can't hand out positive rep to everyone who deserves it. :(

I'd just like to say it really makes me glad to see that as a diverse community with people from such vastly different backgrounds, we can still stand together and stand up for what is right. Society has really come a long way in the past few decades.

Also, I'd just like to apologise again for my previous post. I felt it was warranted, but didn't necessarily have to be so crude. I'm a lot calmer now. :o

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Everyone is screaming tolerance but no one is tolerating neos beliefs. It is his right not to agree with it. As long as he isn't going around bashing their heads in and making their life hell. I mean he isn't putin :p

I don't care what a persons sexuality is.

We shouldn't have to tolerate the intolerant.
 
Typically I agree - but if you tell me you believe being gay is a choice, you can bet your ass I'm well within my rights - as a gay person, who would know - to tell you that you're wrong.

The position of heterosexuals - who have no experience of being gay - to make an assertion like that is completely and utterly ridiculous. It's academically repugnant.


Being gay is definitively not a choice. Some people it might take a very long time to realize they are gay but thats mainly due to stress and wanting to be accepted in society.

Sorry guys didn't see it :p

/runs
 
I want you guys to think on this for a second, homophobia is just as bad as racism, xenophobia, or various other forms of discrimination.

Saying "I don't agree with you being gay" is the same as saying "I don't agree with you being black, white, yellow, brown, coloured, etc."

Now consider the implications of intolerance of gay people.

Actually, we do have those rights, generally enshrined in basic human rights. You murder someone in cold blood for not buying wards in Dota 2 and I'm not allowed to tell you it was wrong?

Many a man should die for that :p
 
Typically I agree - but if you tell me you believe being gay is a choice, you can bet your ass I'm well within my rights - as a gay person, who would know - to tell you that you're wrong.

The position of heterosexuals - who have no experience of being gay - to make an assertion like that is completely and utterly ridiculous. It's academically repugnant.
No being gay is not a choice I would never imply that.
 
I've got an interesting one for those who say that being gay is against their religion.

In Leviticus 18:22 the Bible says:
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."

However in Leviticus 19:19 the Bible says:
“‘Keep my decrees.
“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.
“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material."

Leviticus 19:27:
"‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."

etc. I don't have the time to look for the interesting bits right now. Googling will probably find it.

I don't understand how some of the bits in the Bible must be followed but others not. That is hypocritical.

I believe that gay people were born that way and to discriminate against them is wrong. Even worse those who do so based on Bible verses where they will quote one verse but blatantly ignore the others.

If a person wants to be against people that are gay then they may be so but I too believe that this is intolerant behaviour.
 
Leviticus also says you're not allowed to make marks on your skin, which includes tattoos. I've seen many religious people with tattoos.

People just like to be selective about what they adhere to.
 
I've got an interesting one for those who say that being gay is against their religion.

In Leviticus 18:22 the Bible says:
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."

However in Leviticus 19:19 the Bible says:
“‘Keep my decrees.
“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.
“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material."

Leviticus 19:27:
"‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."

etc. I don't have the time to look for the interesting bits right now. Googling will probably find it.

I don't understand how some of the bits in the Bible must be followed but others not. That is hypocritical.

I believe that gay people were born that way and to discriminate against them is wrong. Even worse those who do so based on Bible verses where they will quote one verse but blatantly ignore the others.

If a person wants to be against people that are gay then they may be so but I too believe that this is intolerant behaviour.

Usually when faced with these questions they usually respond with "That's just a metaphor"

Metaphors can be really convenient it seems
 
1. I'm gay. My religion is fine with it. Religious views are a poor excuse to discriminate - on any level.

2. Gee, thanks. Your attitude and disdain are more than enough to perpetuate the hate machine, though.

3. That doesn't make your position any stronger than ours. Just an uninformed, and incorrect, one.

4. We're not telling you that you "have to" do anything. We're saying that, just as you have your right to an ignorant viewpoint, we have the right to call you out on it. Surely the same rules should apply? Go see my previous post. You do not "own" the right to feel victimised for your views on this matter. Your views are the "oppressive" ones.

5. Funny you mention Hitler, because what you're doing is like Hitler going "Gosh guys, this is just what I believe, stop oppressing my views!". Incidentally, Hitler hated the gays too. See how easy it is to use Hitler as a pathetically weak argument tool?

6. See point number 4. Stop playing victim. Your opinion is the one that discriminates against a minority based on false assumption and ignorance.

7. You show me your respect, and I'll show you mine.

If you're feeling a bit ganged up on, maybe reflect on how that's how every gay person feels when they meet people like you, who share your same "you're wrong because I believe so" attitude, and how that feeds into our very identity, and can lead to some terrible, sad and crushing experiences.

If neg rep on a forum is the most oppression you've felt in your life, then you are clearly out of your depth in this discussion.

Check your privilege.
 
I'd just like to say it really makes me glad to see that as a diverse community with people from such vastly different backgrounds, we can still stand together and stand up for what is right. Society has really come a long way in the past few decades.

My sentiments exactly.

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I've got an interesting one for those who say that being gay is against their religion.

In Leviticus 18:22 the Bible says:
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."

However in Leviticus 19:19 the Bible says:
“‘Keep my decrees.
“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.
“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material."

Leviticus 19:27:
"‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."

etc. I don't have the time to look for the interesting bits right now. Googling will probably find it.

I don't understand how some of the bits in the Bible must be followed but others not. That is hypocritical.

I believe that gay people were born that way and to discriminate against them is wrong. Even worse those who do so based on Bible verses where they will quote one verse but blatantly ignore the others.

If a person wants to be against people that are gay then they may be so but I too believe that this is intolerant behaviour.

Also, you're not allowed to eat pork or shellfish. I wonder if homophobes picket outside Spur and Ocean Basket as well.

"Belief" and facts are rarely bedfellows.

Please don't judge all religious people on the basis of this thread and the (unfortunately typical) bullshit that it has spewed. Most of us actually read the entire book, rather than just the first bit, and are mostly loving, carefree and happy people, that don't discriminate, judge, or deride.
 
I have to confess: some time ago, I would've described myself as homophobic. Not in the sense that I discriminated with people of a different sexuality than me, but just that I felt very uncomfortable with the whole matter.

That all changed about 2 year ago when my best friend, a person I see as my brother, came out to me and admitted he was gay. I was the first one he came out against, and it was very difficult for me to process this, especially with my discomfort with the whole subject. But I stuck with him, through thick and thin. I was there when he was dehumanised and judged by people within our social groups, and even his, and my, family. It was a difficult time indeed.

This was an incredibly eye-opening experience for me. It was a time I learned what it meant to truly except someone, regardless of their sexuality, race or whatever. At the end, he remains my friend, a friend I still hold dear and still see as my brother.

My point is this: I had to be put into a situation where I had to deal with it head-on, or else I would've probably still be as uncomfortable as I was about the subject. And it made me a better person for it.

You cannot, regardless of religion or creed, judge a person on any merit. You are not here to judge others, You can surely help them do the right things, yes, but judge, never.

Take this from a reformed intolerable man.
 
Please don't judge all religious people on the basis of this thread and the (unfortunately typical) bullshit that it has spewed. Most of us actually read the entire book, rather than just the first bit, and are mostly loving, carefree and happy people, that don't discriminate, judge, or deride.

I haven't made any judgements of religious people based on threads in gaming forums.

I'm an atheist and my very good friend Qornea is a religiously faithful person. We've discussed it before, we both know each-other's point of view, and we get along fine.
 
I haven't made any judgements of religious people based on threads in gaming forums.

I'm an atheist and my very good friend Qornea is a religiously faithful person. We've discussed it before, we both know each-other's point of view, and we get along fine.

I sometimes get carried away with the perception that most people view religious people as creationist homophobes. Perhaps I just spend too much time on reddit, but it seems to be a growing opinion, unfortunately, and I like to stick up for us level headed believers when I can. I'm glad to see that it isn't actually necessary here on MyG.

And, unrelated to James' post: It's awesome being part of a community like MyG, where people can truly be themselves and not be ostracized for it.

Unless you spew hate.
 
And this thread proves that people like Ellen Page can change the world. Just look at the debate she started on a little forum all the way here in SA :p
 
I haven't made any judgements of religious people based on threads in gaming forums.

I'm an atheist and my very good friend Qornea is a religiously faithful person. We've discussed it before, we both know each-other's point of view, and we get along fine.

You're an athiest!?! This changes everything! No more communion wine for YOU sir.
 
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