Fist of Jesus

Graal said:
No, the only point you're proving is that you can't separate your right to practice religion from your right to be offended. I respect the former, not the latter. You're conflating the two and claiming I'm intolerant and disrespectful towards your religious beliefs.

Just close the Steam store tab for Fists of Jesus, sit back, put on some "Jesus take the wheel", relax and feel the anger ebb away. It's really not worth getting so worked up about a game about Jesus punching zombies.
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I'm not angry at all. And you keep saying my religious beliefs. And the definition of tolerance that I gave was correct and your post definitely showed that you are intolerant.

But it's pointless. I can see that you are not able to see why the game offends people. Nothing I say will change this.
 
Ike_009 said:
It's not our problem if you refuse to listen to anyone and read anyone else's posts
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It actually is. You've still not explained what is so mocking about this.

It's a game in which Jesus is the hero who punches zombies. If it was any other character, nobody would bat an eye and nobody would call it mockery. But it's Jesus and therefore it's offensive because Jesus and humour should never mix and if Jesus is portrayed in a funny game it's obviously mockery. Why? Because REASONS, that's why!!!

It's so silly.

Solitude said:
I'm not angry at all. And you keep saying my religious beliefs. And the definition of tolerance that I gave was correct and your post definitely showed that you are intolerant.
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"I say you're intolerant therefore you are!!! Jinx, no say-backsies! I win!"

Yeah, okay.
 
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Duke Dude said:
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Damn guys, why all the arguing?

I myself am a Christian (Not something I like to make public fact because it is true, it's not easy being a Christian online) and have engaged in several debates over in the Metaphysical section on SAgamer, but let's not turn this thread into something similar.

People in this day and age get offended far to easily. Period. Does that mean that they don't have the right to still get offended? No. Whether or not you believe someone is getting his/her panties in a knot over something stupid is purely subjective and cannot be dismissed because you believe it to be stupid. Simple.

I, personally don't take offense to this game, but that's just me..
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Would we have been talking about this game if it was Fist of James? No.
Would we ever have known about this game if it was Fist of Steven? No.

Therefor they intentionally chose the name to create controversy and as others before has said to make something or in this case someone cheap. That is not okay in my books, not in this instance.

Apparently in the videos one of the character's moves is that he (sic) farts. Is it still not offensive to you that your God is portrayed in such a fashion?

If it was Fist of Allah, the developers would have received death threats and would be fearing for their lives. But because Christians don't react like that we are a softer target, but still one that can be exploited for a quick buck.
 
Graal said:
It actually is. You've still not explained what is so mocking about this.

It's a game in which Jesus is the hero who punches zombies. If it was any other character, nobody would bat an eye and nobody would call it mockery. But it's Jesus and therefore it's offensive because Jesus and humour should never mix and if Jesus is portrayed in a funny game it's obviously mockery. Why? Because REASONS, that's why!!!

It's so silly.
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There is not an ounce of sincerity in what you ask, many have tried to explain but you refuse to try and understand. This is how all threads end up when you get involved, only your opinion counts.
 
Still going huh? You know what I've been doing during this whole debacle? Fun stuff.

We've already established that opinions don't change because of what someone else says on the intertubes. So this is like watching single player squash.

Use those nice buttons that Jan gave us, forget about the rubbish things and go have some fun in a non-religious-turned personal-debate type of place. Mainly because I can't figure out how to reverse my subscription to this thread on Tapatalk (did that by accident) and now I get notifications every few minutes.

Edit: OH, the little star icon. Got it. Fire away.
 
Let's ask ourselves a question: Would the general South African populace feel offended if it was Nelson Mandela killing zombies and farting like a mad man? My guess would be "yes". Placing a person or figure you revere in a bad or (even slightly) mocking light automatically makes you feel offended. That's why most games choose fictional characters* as the heroes or villians and state that real-life portrayals of characters are coincidental (like LA Noire).

It's not only Christians that take offence to things. Anyone can take offence to anything. If someone insults your wife or girlfriend I'd guess (or rather hope) you'd take offence. If you're able to live life in total peace without being offended by anything then good on you - I respect and admire you.

*No, I'm not going to debate whether Jesus is a fictional character or not.
 
FarligOpptreden said:
Let's ask ourselves a question: Would the general South African populace feel offended if it was Nelson Mandela killing zombies and farting like a mad man? My guess would be "yes". Placing a person or figure you revere in a bad or (even slightly) mocking light automatically makes you feel offended. That's why most games choose fictional characters* as the heroes or villians and state that real-life portrayals of characters are coincidental (like LA Noire).
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So Jesus farts in the game and this makes it a mockery? Mate, I'm pretty sure that if Jesus existed he left a few stinkers in his time. Allegedly he was human too. Nelson Mandela also probably cleared a few rooms in his time.

I'm still only seeing hypersensitive people complaining that there's a funny caricature of their god and thus "Jesus + Funny = Offense".

But whatevs. Spend your days being annoyed by silly things if you want. I'd just like to point out that everyone pretending christians are universally outraged by this are being dishonest. Go have a look at the Steam forums. There are more than a few christians saying they see no problem with it.
 
Great logic there, some Christians don't find something offensive therefore no Christian is allowed to find it offensive. Last I checked I'm an individual with my own thoughts and ideas.

Quick question, where do we draw the line?
 
Ike_009 said:
Great logic there, some Christians don't find something offensive therefore no Christian is allowed to find it offensive. Last I checked I'm an individual with my own thoughts and ideas.

Quick question, where do we draw the line?
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And once again you show that points simply fly over your head like so many airplanes. I never said you're not allowed to be defended. If you go back in the thread you'll see I even defended your right to be offended.

What I'm saying is you cannot demand everyone to respect your right to be offended. You yell out you're offended and suddenly everyone has to bend over backwards because "oh no, they're offended! Now we're not allowed to say we think they're being overly sensitive because they're OFFENDED!"

Here. The obligatory Stephen Fry pic that sums it up.

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Graal said:
And once again you show that points simply fly over your head like so many airplanes. I never said you're not allowed to be defended. If you go back in the thread you'll see I even defended your right to be offended.

What I'm saying is you cannot demand everyone to respect your right to be offended. You yell out you're offended and suddenly everyone has to bend over backwards because "oh no, they're offended! Now we're not allowed to say we think they're being overly sensitive because they're OFFENDED!"

Here. The obligatory Stephen Fry pic that sums it up.

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Just as many comments have flown over head.
 
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Ike_009 said:
Quick question, where do we draw the line?
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That's the question I asked (maybe with a different context) in a previous reply that nobody read:cry:.

That question is the crux of the argument on offense and its ramifications, at least for me that's the more interesting part of the argument and not whether or not the offense is legitimate, and it's a question to be posed to both sides of the argument if we're fair. A further question, at least in context of my previous reply; does the fact that the game offends some people mean it shouldn't exist? I'm not going to argue the legitimacy of the offense since I understand both sides of the argument.

Excuse my fanning of the flames, but that part is actually interesting in this discussion. Where do we draw the line, is that line really black and white considering the amount of personalities at play in this world of grays we inhabit. And what does that mean for the relationship between the creativity of content creators and the ability of their works to offend groups of people.

P.S. This game shouldn't exist because it just looks like a shitty game, but that's just me:rolleyes:
 
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Saint_Dee said:
That's the question I asked (maybe with a different context) in a previous reply that nobody read:cry:.

That question is the crux of the argument on offense and its ramifications, at least for me that's the more interesting part of the argument and not whether or not the offense is legitimate, and it's a question to be posed to both sides of the argument if we're fair. A further question, at least in context of my previous reply; does the fact that the game offends some people mean it shouldn't exist? I'm not going to argue the legitimacy of the offense since I understand both sides of the argument.

Excuse my fanning of the flames, but that part is actually interesting in this discussion. Where do we draw the line, is that line really black and white considering the amount of personalities at play in this world of grays we inhabit. And what does that mean for the relationship between the creativity of content creators and the ability of their works to offend groups of people.

P.S. This game shouldn't exist because it just looks like a shitty game, but that's just me:rolleyes:
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There is no line Saint, and I don't think there can be. While many Christians would love the world to be 'Christian', the reality is that it is a secular world, influenced by many things, religion to name one of many.

While I don't see any need for this game and it does offend me, this cannot be the reason that this game shouldn't exist. I understand that my offense shouldn't stop Graal et al to play it. So yes I fully admit that I'm particularly sensitive to what I see as a direct a front to my faith, but that's me. My beliefs are of a deeply personal nature of which I'm not prepared to share on a public forum.

So while it's difficult for me to understand why Graal doesn't understand my offense and visa versa, never the minds shall meet.
 
The game's existence is also not something I have a problem with, it's the free advertising based on controversy that they are receiving. The gaming websites should know better than to indulge them.
 
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