Future of the MyGaming Community Steam group

I also agree to a certain extent that warnings are somewhat pointless, but on the other hand I think it could help in avoiding any similar rifts in the community in future. Usually when a person breaks a rule (any rule) they are giving a warning (in some cases more than one) before any action takes place. This depends on the severity of the rule of course, but I think in the case of community GA's a courtesy PM to inform someone they are in danger of being removed could be a good thing. Since it is really easy to achive the criteria needed to remain active on the forum (and by extension in the group) it doens't really matter either way to be honest.
 
Wlad said:
I also agree to a certain extent that warnings are somewhat pointless, but on the other hand I think it could help in avoiding any similar rifts in the community in future.
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The problem is that there are no rifts. Even Monk has said that he understands the reasoning behind the kick now. There's only one person who seems to still have an issue with the current system and he wasn't even kicked! He's fighting the fight for people who can't even be bothered to come fight it themselves. It's ridiculous when you think about it.

Do we really need to implement a warning system just because one malcontent demands it? I don't really think so.

I vote no warning system. If you need a warning to tell you you're not following the rules then you're not a valuable community member anyway.
 
Graal said:
The problem is that there are no rifts. Even Monk has said that he understands the reasoning behind the kick now. There's only one person who seems to still have an issue with the current system and he wasn't even kicked! He's fighting the fight for people who can't even be bothered to come fight it themselves. It's ridiculous when you think about it.

Do we really need to implement a warning system just because one malcontent demands it? I don't really think so.

I vote no warning system. If you need a warning to tell you you're not following the rules then you're not a valuable community member anyway.
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I definitely agree with the ridiculousness of the situation yet somehow it has caused a lot of drama.

Instead of "an official warning" via PM it could even be posted publicly inside the thread so that other members might encourage someone in danger of removal to participate in duscussions on the forum and stay in the group.
 
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That's a little more fair. Or maybe even just a general warning in the form of a Steam announcement, saying something along the lines of "please ensure your MyGaming activity complies with the rules of the GiveAway group" at the end of every month.

Obviously just better worded. That way people can at least not say they weren't given adequate warning.
 
Wlad said:
I definitely agree with the ridiculousness of the situation yet somehow it has caused a lot of drama.

Instead of "an official warning" via it PM it could even be posted publicly inside the thread so that other members might encourage someone in danger of removal to participate in duscussions on the forum and stay in the group.
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I prefer this option, rather a public thread that warnings can be posted in. So that there is the "transparency" that people wanted? I will be willing to join the group again to do giveaways. But I politely will ask that I am not put into consideration for one of the moderator roles. But otherwise I never thought that there was an issue with the rules are they are. Altho almost no one noticed the post Eugene made saying non active members will be kicked. So maybe we have a thread that is locked and we only post the names of people in danger of being kicked. We give them a week to respond. But if you are kicked, and want back in, wait 2 months - do your part by being ACTIVE all over the forums. And then they can be let in again?
 
Graal said:
That's a little more fair. Or maybe even just a general warning in the form of a Steam announcement, saying something along the lines of "please ensure your MyGaming activity complies with the rules of the GiveAway group" at the end of every month.

Obviously just better worded. That way people can at least not say they weren't given adequate warning.
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This was my other concern. I looked at the group page last night and nothing ever gets posted there. If it's something that affects the group whether good or bad it should be posted to the group page, via announcement.
 
Dohc-WP said:
It is just sad that the actions from 1 Narrowminded Misguided Forum member (not even the one who was removed) has caused the MASS EXODUS and ALIENATION of all the longstanding and Most Contributive Forum users (He is willing to Damage the whole steamgifts group for the sake of fighting and defending for someone who never asked to be fought for in the first place).

I Personally felt like removing him from the steamgifts group (Due to his Agressive actions and disrespect for the officers of the group) but i will leave that decision up to the other other Officers and Jan as that would have probably opened another can of worms.
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He should be removed or at least given a 2 month suspension from the group, he caused a huge issue over nothing and then proceeded to call all the regulars "Elite" which has upset a lot of them and caused an even bigger rift. He acted like a child and didn't stop until the "elites" left.
 
The Joker said:
He should be removed or at least given a 2 month suspension from the group, he caused a huge issue over nothing and then proceeded to call all the regulars "Elite" which has upset a lot of them and caused an even bigger rift. He acted like a child and didn't stop until the "elites" left.
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I fear that might cause the exact same thing to happen again all over again!! :/
 
The Joker said:
He should be removed or at least given a 2 month suspension from the group, he caused a huge issue over nothing and then proceeded to call all the regulars "Elite" which has upset a lot of them and caused an even bigger rift. He acted like a child and didn't stop until the "elites" left.
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Nah, he did what he thought was right. He didn't do it the right way but he had good intentions. I say we just leave it be.
 
My last few cents on the matter:
1) I would like to see the moderators/admins (who are acting on behalf of the community) to say what they are going to do, then to report back and say what they've done. In this case "I am going to kick..." - this was done. And then a simple "I kicked ..." - this was not done.
2) I would like to see a warning system implemented, this could even be in the form of a temporary suspension. First offence - 1 week kick from group, second offence 2 weeks, third offence a month, fourth offence permanent.
3) I would like the rules to be modified so that there is no more room for interpretation. Replace any parts which say "a long time" or a "reasonable amount" with exact values / times. There will always be room for interpretation but it could be better than the current wording.
4) I would like to see a statement added that whenever there is a an ambiguous statement or something that is left open for interpretation that we should at all times think what is best for the community. In 50/50 decisions, this will hopefully mean that we choose the option that is better for the community as a whole. Same should probably go for 60/40 decisions. Let's give community members the benefit of the doubt.
5) If we can't have a decent discussion or disagreement without swearing and personally insulting each other then we really have no community at all.
 
Hiro said:
wow!!

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony

with all due respect, it was you who were the root cause of the upheavel! you surely cannot be oblivious of that fact ? :eek:
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lol why bother dude, he did nothing wrong...he was just " defending the defenseless "

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Seems like a few people are putting just a few too many cents into this subject.
The way all of this was approached in the first place is what caused all of this drama, i don't belie LOTS has to change on this forum. Just a few members attitudes towards handling certain situations and how to react properly on them taking the consequences in mind that effect the whole forum
 
Okay, this whole debate is utter madness, as it's not really a rift or divide being created, as just a lot of negativity towards a system that really is there to GIVE FREE STUFF TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS. I am not going to give my 2 cents about the arguments as I am way too pissed off to not swear and call people names. So here are my opinions on what needs to change:

  1. We appoint 3/5 officers to the MyGaming SteamGift Community Group and let them enforce the rules. There should be a poll of contributing members added and the whole community votes on whom they would want to govern this responsibility
  2. We reword the rules to ensure that there is no ambiguity as to what constitutes active participation, and ensure that the rules state that it is still the Officers discretion to remove/add someone according to the rules.
  3. Should one of the officers feel a member of the group is not following the rules, he/she must consult the other officers privately via PM/Whatsapp/Carrier Pigeon to ensure that all Officers agree, other that a majority vote between them is reached. After this has been done, the transgressing member must be notified via the forums (we have tags now so they will get notified in time) of the transgression, and they can PM the Officers to either make their case. If after 7 days nothing has been heard from the user, he/she will be removed. Should they return back after 7 days and find that they had a valid reason for not being active, he/she can contact the Officers via PM and ask to be added back. the chances are that the Officers will add them in any case.
  4. If anyone from the community feel like there is shenanigans going on with the Officers, they must contact [MENTION=289]Jan[/MENTION] as well as the officer privately and discuss the matter further. I'm sure Jan will most definitely be able to play the role of mediator.

These are my suggestions.
 
I thought the two different Mygaming groups was the solution to newbie and regulars GAs?

Relegate less active members to one group and promote active members to other group.
Since steamgifts now support GA for multiple groups, person doing the GA can include or exclude people from the two groups. :D

BTW, didn't [MENTION=8764]Kevin[/MENTION] say we were starting a dance crew?
 
Due to the cumulating of cents I will be expressing my few rands to the matter.

1. Make a closed forum.
2. Assign admins
3. Have rules, but should be expressed as guidelines
4. If its clear a member is abusing, then kick

I understand that the interwebz is very real and therefore serious to people. But come on shed a load, have a good laugh.. I have been involved in issues similar to this (caused by others and by me. Ah the good old days of WoW) and history has shown that its not worth the effort. It still flattens me at the seriousness of this thread...Leave your sense of entitlement and opinions at the door and take it easy.
 
DieGrootHammer said:
We reword the rules to ensure that there is no ambiguity as to what constitutes active participation, and ensure that the rules state that it is still the Officers discretion to remove/add someone according to the rules.
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This is all that was requested in the first place. When [MENTION=4924]Wyzak[/MENTION] asked why @Dampi was kicked, it became clear that different people interpreted some of the rules differently. There was even three or four posts on it, but the discussion was completely derailed by people unwilling to even acknowledge the ambiguity. That's when I bailed, and I think [MENTION=17]Eugene[/MENTION] jumped ship around then too.
[MENTION=4924]Wyzak[/MENTION] wasn't doing anything wrong, he was simply asking what "a long time" actually means, and whether or not "the whole forum" include the GA thread or not. That's it. Since then, people have resorted to personal attacks and name calling and putting words in others' mouths.

Ambiguous rules means that assumptions are made, and we all know what assumptions are the mother of. Fix those points in the rules, and I'm pretty sure everyone will be happy.
 
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This is all that was requested in the first place. When [MENTION=4924]Wyzak[/MENTION] asked why @Dampi was kicked, it became clear that different people interpreted some of the rules differently. There was even three or four posts on it, but the discussion was completely derailed by people unwilling to even acknowledge the ambiguity. That's when I bailed, and I think [MENTION=17]Eugene[/MENTION] jumped ship around then too.
[MENTION=4924]Wyzak[/MENTION] wasn't doing anything wrong, he was simply asking what "a long time" actually means, and whether or not "the whole forum" include the GA thread or not. That's it. Since then, people have resorted to personal attacks and name calling and putting words in others' mouths.

Ambiguous rules means that assumptions are made, and we all know what assumptions are the mother of. Fix those points in the rules, and I'm pretty sure everyone will be happy.
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I don't see the ambiguity. The rules specifically stated 20 posts, in the last 2 months, if I recall correctly. How more specific do you want it?
 
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This is all that was requested in the first place. When [MENTION=4924]Wyzak[/MENTION] asked why @Dampi was kicked, it became clear that different people interpreted some of the rules differently. There was even three or four posts on it, but the discussion was completely derailed by people unwilling to even acknowledge the ambiguity. That's when I bailed, and I think [MENTION=17]Eugene[/MENTION] jumped ship around then too.
[MENTION=4924]Wyzak[/MENTION] wasn't doing anything wrong, he was simply asking what "a long time" actually means, and whether or not "the whole forum" include the GA thread or not. That's it. Since then, people have resorted to personal attacks and name calling and putting words in others' mouths.

Ambiguous rules means that assumptions are made, and we all know what assumptions are the mother of. Fix those points in the rules, and I'm pretty sure everyone will be happy.
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There is no ambiguity though. You either make 20 posts a month or you can't participate in the GAs. It's very, very simple.

Don't mistake what Wyzak is doing here either. He's not being a nice guy. He kicks over a hornet's nest and then stands back and pretends that he's just acting in everyone's best interests. I've seen him to do it time and time again. Nobody had issues with the way GA was running until Wyzak came along. Even Dampi accepted the ruling and Wyzak just kept going. I'm pretty sure him and LimpNoodle/SnowWar (he's got two accounts here) are one and the same guy. SnowWar used to give me endless crap back when I was running the NAG DayZ server and would stir up trouble wherever he goes, then pretend to be doing it in the interest of the greater good. Exact same modus operandi as Wyzak. I eventually decided to just say fuck it and abandoned the DayZ server.

Don't think Wyzak isn't laughing his ass off behind the scenes. He's a professional troll, as evidence by this ongoing forum drama which he instigated almost single-handedly.
 
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