Future of the MyGaming Community Steam group

[James]

I'd just like to say thanks to Jan for spending sleepless nights on the forum trying to keep everyone happy. I know it's not an easy job. +1 rep

 

[Lothy]

I don't see the ambiguity. The rules specifically stated 20 posts, in the last 2 months, if I recall correctly. How more specific do you want it?

It just makes I seem like some sort of martial law... And this is where good leadership comes in. If I was moderating that group, I would have seen he didn't speak on the forums, but he was contributing in games. For me that would have been good enough, if anything I would have sent him a PM explaining this and ask him to work on increasing his thread count.

There are far better ways to handle situations that playing parliament.

"Ah madame speaker, I would like to raise a point of privilege. According to the mygaming steam group rules section 2A, it states a minimum of 20 posts need to made over 2 months or be kicked. Madame speaker with this I raise a point of power. According to section 4 paragraph 1, the mods therefore are required to boot said cockroach *cough* I mean honourable member"

This what this whole thing feels like...

The question is who is playing Zuma in all this and quietly laughing.

 

[Avatar]

I don't see the ambiguity. The rules specifically stated 20 posts, in the last 2 months, if I recall correctly. How more specific do you want it?

Quoted from here, since the original post no longer exists:

Rules and guidelines

These giveaways are being done by MyGaming community members, for fellow members that contribute in a positive way to the MyGaming forum, and as such we will show NO leniency to spammers or people who do not follow the rules as decided by the community.

These giveaways are for long standing, active members of the MyGaming.co.za forums only.

You need to be a member on the forums for a minimum of two months to be eligible to enter.
If you want to join the MyGaming Community Steam group, post a link to your Steam profile in this thread. It will look something like this: http://steamcommunity.com/id/metalsoup/
You must be actively posting on the forums during the last two months (at least 20 decent posts per month, no spam, no nonsense)
If you are not active on the MyGaming forums, outside this thread and during activity based competitions, for long periods of time you will be removed from the Steam group.
If you aren't well known to the person who's giveaway you are entering, please leave a comment with your forum username if it's different from your Steam name on their Giveaway comment section.
If you want to create giveaways, please make them exclusive to members of the MyGaming community group
If you see anybody in the group that you don't think deserves to be there, please send me a PM with your reason.



Good luck and have fun, and a special thanks to all contributors!

The bolded bits, specifically, Wyzak asked to clarify. You even responded, by merging the two, but still saying both two months, and a long time. The two are contradicting terms, so he asked you to remove the part referring to "a long time", and then you asked if his device shows bold, as you had bolded stuff. Then you quit, with drama that I didn't witness, just the aftermath.

Contradicting terms are ambiguity, it really doesn't get more simple than that..

There is no ambiguity though. You either make 20 posts a month or you can't participate in the GAs. It's very, very simple.

Don't mistake what Wyzak is doing here either. He's not being a nice guy. He kicks over a hornet's nest and then stands back and pretends that he's just acting in everyone's best interests. I've seen him to do it time and time again. Nobody had issues with the way GA was running until Wyzak came along. Even Dampi accepted the ruling and Wyzak just kept going. I'm pretty sure him and LimpNoodle/SnowWar (he's got two accounts here) are one and the same guy. SnowWar used to give me endless crap back when I was running the NAG DayZ server and would stir up trouble wherever he goes, then pretend to be doing it in the interest of the greater good. Exact same modus operandi as Wyzak. I eventually decided to just say fuck it and abandoned the DayZ server.

Don't think Wyzak isn't laughing his ass off behind the scenes. He's a professional troll, as evidence by this ongoing forum drama which he instigated almost single-handedly.

Oh, well, so long as you're pretty sure.. I genuinely, and simply don't care about your history with Wyzak. I dislike nearly everyone involved equally, my wife calls me a grinch. (Except for [MENTION=2530]Wyvern[/MENTION], She's a delight.) The fact is that the rules, in and of themselves, were contradicting, and thus ambiguous. I'm simply proposing that we remove the offending parts and clarify, and then we see who still wants to be trollish.

 

[Blazzok]

It just makes I seem like some sort of martial law... And this is where good leadership comes in. If I was moderating that group, I would have seen he didn't speak on the forums, but he was contributing in games. For me that would have been good enough, if anything I would have sent him a PM explaining this and ask him to work on increasing his thread count.

There are far better ways to handle situations that playing parliament.

"Ah madame speaker, I would like to raise a point of privilege. According to the mygaming steam group rules section 2A, it states a minimum of 20 posts need to made over 2 months or be kicked. Madame speaker with this I raise a point of power. According to section 4 paragraph 1, the mods therefore are required to boot said cockroach *cough* I mean honourable member"

This what this whole thing feels like...

The question is who is playing Zuma in all this and quietly laughing.

I'm sure by this point Jan will have to create a new thread for all the "derailing" posts, because this thread was specifically created for people to give feedback in with regards to what Jan suggested, not to give opinions on what happened with this whole debacle, if there was ambiguity or not.

The point of the GA Thread was that active members on the forum could give games to one another (as the whole idea is to be active on the forum as that is what helps MyG). Giving away games but not being active is great, but isn't contributing to the MyG site in any way. I'm sure Dampi had good intentions, but as time went on the rules were forgotten and things happened.

But, back to be ON TOPIC:
Others have suggested the same, but I guess I'll reitarate as well

1) Get an unqual number of mods, so there can always be consensus on a decision. The community can suggest mods, and the nominated people can decline if they so wish (Wyvern already said she does not want to be a mod again)
2) Ammend the rules to be non ambiguous. Not that they were really so to begin with, but I suppose there are 1 or 2 places where someone with a mind to do so can twist the words a bit.
3) There are 2 Steam MyG groups; one group which anyone can join, and another specifically for the giveaways. If you are so inclined, when you post a GA you can decide if only 1 or both groups can enter the GA. That is your decision as the person giving away the game.
4) The warning system would be nice, I suppose, however that also places more admin on the mods of the group. I don't think a warning system is needed though, you would know if you haven't been active on the forum for the last month or so, and so you can expect to perhaps have been kicked from the group. If you become active on the forum again, and PM one of the mods, I'm sure they wouldn't mind to reinvite said person back into the group.
5) If the mods of the group are unsure about a decision, they can always ask the community for input on a matter.

I think that is all, if I think of something else I'll edit my post.

 

[Lothy]

I'm sure by this point Jan will have to create a new thread for all the "derailing" posts, because this thread was specifically created for people to give feedback in with regards to what Jan suggested, not to give opinions on what happened with this whole debacle, if there was ambiguity or not.

The point of the GA Thread was that active members on the forum could give games to one another (as the whole idea is to be active on the forum as that is what helps MyG). Giving away games but not being active is great, but isn't contributing to the MyG site in any way. I'm sure Dampi had good intentions, but as time went on the rules were forgotten and things happened.

But, back to be ON TOPIC:
Others have suggested the same, but I guess I'll reitarate as well

1) Get an unqual number of mods, so there can always be consensus on a decision. The community can suggest mods, and the nominated people can decline if they so wish (Wyvern already said she does not want to be a mod again)
2) Ammend the rules to be non ambiguous. Not that they were really so to begin with, but I suppose there are 1 or 2 places where someone with a mind to do so can twist the words a bit.
3) There are 2 Steam MyG groups; one group which anyone can join, and another specifically for the giveaways. If you are so inclined, when you post a GA you can decide if only 1 or both groups can enter the GA. That is your decision as the person giving away the game.
4) The warning system would be nice, I suppose, however that also places more admin on the mods of the group. I don't think a warning system is needed though, you would know if you haven't been active on the forum for the last month or so, and so you can expect to perhaps have been kicked from the group. If you become active on the forum again, and PM one of the mods, I'm sure they wouldn't mind to reinvite said person back into the group.
5) If the mods of the group are unsure about a decision, they can always ask the community for input on a matter.

I think that is all, if I think of something else I'll edit my post.

I think it cant be summarized any better than this.

I approve this message!

 

[Tydmors]

I'm sure by this point Jan will have to create a new thread for all the "derailing" posts, because this thread was specifically created for people to give feedback in with regards to what Jan suggested, not to give opinions on what happened with this whole debacle, if there was ambiguity or not.

The point of the GA Thread was that active members on the forum could give games to one another (as the whole idea is to be active on the forum as that is what helps MyG). Giving away games but not being active is great, but isn't contributing to the MyG site in any way. I'm sure Dampi had good intentions, but as time went on the rules were forgotten and things happened.

But, back to be ON TOPIC:
Others have suggested the same, but I guess I'll reitarate as well

1) Get an unqual number of mods, so there can always be consensus on a decision. The community can suggest mods, and the nominated people can decline if they so wish (Wyvern already said she does not want to be a mod again)
2) Ammend the rules to be non ambiguous. Not that they were really so to begin with, but I suppose there are 1 or 2 places where someone with a mind to do so can twist the words a bit.
3) There are 2 Steam MyG groups; one group which anyone can join, and another specifically for the giveaways. If you are so inclined, when you post a GA you can decide if only 1 or both groups can enter the GA. That is your decision as the person giving away the game.
4) The warning system would be nice, I suppose, however that also places more admin on the mods of the group. I don't think a warning system is needed though, you would know if you haven't been active on the forum for the last month or so, and so you can expect to perhaps have been kicked from the group. If you become active on the forum again, and PM one of the mods, I'm sure they wouldn't mind to reinvite said person back into the group.
5) If the mods of the group are unsure about a decision, they can always ask the community for input on a matter.

I think that is all, if I think of something else I'll edit my post.

Good summary, i think this covers everything.

 

[BeoTeK]

Well said [MENTION=6280]Blazzok[/MENTION]
Also, I really feel that if this is a Steam driven initiative, then it makes sense to make use of the Steam announcements, for both groups.

 

[StaggerLee]

My opinion on what should be done:

- It's clear that new moderators are needed as Eugene and Wyvern have now left. We should probably get nominations for new mods from the community (who would need to accept the nominations) and then have a vote on who that should be. I also agree with the general sentiment that there should be an odd number of mods so that there can be no ties where decisions need to be made.

- The rules are for the most part fine as they are. They could be clarified to include exact time frames as then there would be no ambiguity.

- I personally think a warning before being kicked from the group is fair. This should not place an extra burden on the mods, so one personal warning should suffice, followed by a blanket warning like the one that Eugene issued when he first indicated that there would be a "clean up". For example, User A hasn't been commenting on any threads in the past two months. Mod sends User A a message to inform them that they have not been following the group's rules and will be kicked if they continue to do so. User A then improves his/her behaviour for three months and then goes AWOL again. Mod then removes User A with the next clean up without needing to provide prior warning further than indicating that there will be a clean up on the main thread. This warning only needs to be issued once personally (via PM for example) for the sake of courtesy.

These are my personal feelings on the matter. If you disagree, that's cool.
[MENTION=289]Jan[/MENTION], here's my input.

 

[Jan]

Nominations for new officers for the group are open: http://mygaming.co.za/forum/showthr...nity-Steamgifts-group-new-officer-nominations