Geohot asks for donations to help fight Sony

I don't really see what grounds Sony has to sue him. I support his cause, I just wish he was less of a douchebag. You know, in his attitude. And raps.
 
I just love how everyone here is suddenly holier than thou. Hotz did nothing wrong. Show me where he has broken the law. Please. Maybe what he did was irresponsible, but that is not the same as illegal. Yeah, if someone did something irresponsible that affected me negatively, I might then be upset, but, ja. I just love how many here want to crucify this guy, but fail to see the faults and errors in their own lives. I refuse to believe that anyone here has never if their life so much as copied a single byte of data that did not belong to them. Be it a game or movie or song or whatever.

But I'm not lus to listen to the rants about the evils of Hotz anymore. I'll rather go back to the Off-Topic section.
 
DenSweeP said:
I just love how everyone here is suddenly holier than thou. Hotz did nothing wrong. Show me where he has broken the law. Please. Maybe what he did was irresponsible, but that is not the same as illegal. Yeah, if someone did something irresponsible that affected me negatively, I might then be upset, but, ja. I just love how many here want to crucify this guy, but fail to see the faults and errors in their own lives. I refuse to believe that anyone here has never if their life so much as copied a single byte of data that did not belong to them. Be it a game or movie or song or whatever.

But I'm not lus to listen to the rants about the evils of Hotz anymore. I'll rather go back to the Off-Topic section.
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I think whats quite funny is that everyone supports the guy wholeheartedly when he jailbreaks and publishes his hacks for the iPhone online. He also wins the iPhone court case hands down. Why? I would guess because it suited everyone (except Apple), it opened up the iPhone completely giving anyone complete and unrestricted access to the underlying OS (a *nix variant, not dissimilar from..... Linux!). I don't think I need to go into all the tons of extra stuff that's opened up on the phone. No doubt the judge presiding over the case at the time had a jailbroken iPhone.

Now he does exactly the same thing to the PS3 and we have controversy. Double standards, hypocrisy? Fortunately GeoHotz has precedent on his side already, whether that's enough depends on how much Sony bullies him with their fat bankroll, forcing him to settle.

If you cannot see the why GeoHotz loosing this case would be a very bad thing you have serious tunnel vision, I would even go so far as to say you are selfish.
 
Blackhand said:
I think whats quite funny is that everyone supports the guy wholeheartedly when he jailbreaks and publishes his hacks for the iPhone online. He also wins the iPhone court case hands down. Why? I would guess because it suited everyone (except Apple), it opened up the iPhone completely giving anyone complete and unrestricted access to the underlying OS (a *nix variant, not dissimilar from..... Linux!). I don't think I need to go into all the tons of extra stuff that's opened up on the phone. No doubt the judge presiding over the case at the time had a jailbroken iPhone.

Now he does exactly the same thing to the PS3 and we have controversy. Double standards, hypocrisy? Fortunately GeoHotz has precedent on his side already, whether that's enough depends on how much Sony bullies him with their fat bankroll, forcing him to settle.

If you cannot see the why GeoHotz loosing this case would be a very bad thing you have serious tunnel vision, I would even go so far as to say you are selfish.
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You said it yourself, he got away with Jailbreaking the Iphone, if he hadn't maybe we wouldn't have this PS3 jailbreak. If he gets away with this what is to stop him breaking the 3DS or the PSP2 or the PS Phone or any other device. We have already lost the original PSP to rampant Piracy, the PC gaming buckles under the constant stream of piracy, but yes by all mean let him get away with it, send a clear message to all the parasites - its ok to pirate since everyone else is doing it. If you can't see how him winning this case is a very bad thing you have tunnel vision.

This species is fucked. We might as well nuke the planet and put us out of the universes misery.
 
If piracy is the evil everyone claims it to be, why is the Xbox still around? Why is the PC market still in existence? They have both been cracked since day one. I don't doubt that money is lost as a result, but clearly not so much if MS and others still make games for the Xbox.

But now they can play online! So? How many piraters really go play online? Besides, guys using cheats are a bigger concern than piraters in my opinion.

One other thing that no one has bothered to answer yet is, WHAT HAS HOTZ DONE THAT IS ILLEGAL?
 
Densweep, if you haven't clicked by now you never will...

if he just used his little jailbreak for himself, no issues.

but because he published it on the net for all, he broke the EULA, which in the ps3's case is rather air tight compared to apple's.

that's what he has done illegal.

tl;dr version here for you
personal use = no issue

publish for world = very fucking bad, prepare to be sued
 
I don't think Sony has much of a defense. You can't sell something and say "By buying this you're agreeing to use it by our terms." It'd be like Golf suing people for taking the back seats out of their cars and rigging them with speakers. And even then, if Sony have that EULA in place, I don't see how it can hold up in a court room. There's no global (i.e. copyright) law which applies to the alteration of someone's product, and you don't AGREE to follow any terms of service for the PlayStation itself.

Look at it this way:
Kinect, hacked left and right.
Computers are overclocked. Say what you want, that's an alteration of hardware. I haven't done overclocking in a while so I don't know the latest but you used to be able to take certain terrible processors and overclock them to work better than extremely expensive ones. Intel looses money, but they can't sue anyone for it, no matter how pissed off they get.
iPhone -- Jailbroken by everyone.
Andriod -- Similar to jailbreaking, people can alter them so that you can use the paid market. Google didn't lift a damned finger.

I don't LIKE Geohot as a person. He seems like a douche. But I don't see anything wrong with hacking a PS3. With pirating, yes, and this opens the door to piracy, but then chase the pirates, not the person who made it possible. If they're after Geohot for it then they should be after themselves too.
 
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EFF responds: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/01/sony-v-hotz-sony-sends-dangerous-message

That means Sony is sending another dangerous message: that it has rights in the computer it sells you even after you buy it, and therefore can decide whether your tinkering with that computer is legal or not. We disagree. Once you buy a computer, it's yours. It shouldn't be a crime for you to access your own computer, regardless of whether Sony or any other company likes what you're doing.
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I think their basis is completely fair.
 
Shamrock said:
I don't think Sony has much of a defense. You can't sell something and say "By buying this you're agreeing to use it by our terms." It'd be like Golf suing people for taking the back seats out of their cars and rigging them with speakers. And even then, if Sony have that EULA in place, I don't see how it can hold up in a court room. There's no global (i.e. copyright) law which applies to the alteration of someone's product, and you don't AGREE to follow any terms of service for the PlayStation itself.

Look at it this way:
Kinect, hacked left and right.
Computers are overclocked. Say what you want, that's an alteration of hardware. I haven't done overclocking in a while so I don't know the latest but you used to be able to take certain terrible processors and overclock them to work better than extremely expensive ones. Intel looses money, but they can't sue anyone for it, no matter how pissed off they get.
iPhone -- Jailbroken by everyone.
Andriod -- Similar to jailbreaking, people can alter them so that you can use the paid market. Google didn't lift a damned finger.

I don't LIKE Geohot as a person. He seems like a douche. But I don't see anything wrong with hacking a PS3. With pirating, yes, and this opens the door to piracy, but then chase the pirates, not the person who made it possible. If they're after Geohot for it then they should be after themselves too.
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Most motherboards and CPUs these days come with the ability to overclock. It's a built in feature intended for overclocking so.. :D
 
to0kenZA said:
Most motherboards and CPUs these days come with the ability to overclock. It's a built in feature intended for overclocking so.. :D
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Then computer manufacturing companies are smart enough not to pursue something so stupid, because it USED to be the same thing.
 
Fuck GeoHot. Because of him and failOverflow Sony released a rushed firmware 3.56 that has basically bricked my PS3 due to the inability to install the firmware on a new/other hard drive. Technically I should blame Sony, but since their (failOverflow) hacking of the console led to this rushed firmware I blame them.
 
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