Have consoles held back PC gaming?

AlphaJohn said:
Except for the fact that developer have to use the shotgun approach when working on PC titles, instead of a sniper rifle.

You have such a huge target to hit when aiming for PC's that you end up missing a couple, and those you miss complain the hardest.

I recon game dev on Console vs PC it is very much like our mobile team. We target iOS 1st cause its a single target and way simpler to problem solve. Only once we happy with our application do we port to Android/Windows Phone cause of the mountains of problems you face when trying to find out why something misbehave on some systems.
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I was not dismissing any facts, what you say holds true as the biggest investment advantage of console games. The PC market is not only smaller but carries a huge diversity of hardware standards. I for one hope that SteamBox's will change this to some extent slowly bringing PC and console closer together creating a single platform in time.
 
AlphaJohn said:
When it comes to FPS/Action/Sport and some sims, yes consoles are holding the PC's back but only because most of the developers target quantity over quality, I am looking at you EA!!!
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I can't agree with that statement.

Play Fifa, 2K (NBA), SSX or any sports game on PC and then try them again consoles, the controller was made for sports games. There is just no way you'd get the same level of immersion on a PC with m/kb as opposed to console and a controller.

I'm gonna assume you mean action/adventure here, if that is the case then you just need to look at Uncharted.

FPS here I agree with you in spirit. I am a CoD fan and it works wonderfully on console but it has been designed with consoles being the primary platform. But yeah, I do believe games like BF could be better if EA didn't try and cater to last-gen.
 
Duke Dude said:
I can't agree with that statement.

Play Fifa, 2K (NBA), SSX or any sports game on PC and then try them again consoles, the controller was made for sports games. There is just no way you'd get the same level of immersion on a PC with m/kb as opposed to console and a controller.
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PC's have been using controllers for decades. People need to understand that controllers aren't unique to consoles.
 
Stunt said:
I was not dismissing any facts, what you say holds true as the biggest investment advantage of console games. The PC market is not only smaller but carries a huge diversity of hardware standards. I for one hope that SteamBox's will change this to some extent slowly bringing PC and console closer together creating a single platform in time.
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You do realize that steambox is just: AnyPC + SteamOS with an optional SteamCase

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Even if you buy the so called steambox it is not exactly the same as 100000 xboxes would be or 10000000 pses

http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamMachines/

What are the specs of the Valve prototype?
We'll tell you more about it soon. Remember, there will ultimately be several boxes to choose from, with an array of specifications, price, and performance.
 
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Necuno said:
You do realize that steambox is just: AnyPC + SteamOS with an optional SteamCase

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Even if you buy the so called steambox it is not exactly the same as 100000 xboxes would be or 10000000 pses

http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamMachines/

What are the specs of the Valve prototype?
We'll tell you more about it soon. Remember, there will ultimately be several boxes to choose from, with an array of specifications, price, and performance.
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Why exactly do you think people by consoles to game and not PC's? People don't want AnyPC + SteamOS. They want a shiny box that just works.

When you're found that clarity, you'll understand why the SteamBox is a great idea. But wait! There's more! Understand this today and you'll know why I would ultimately say that it can and most likely will bring consoles and PC closer to eventually share a platform.
 
Stunt said:
Why exactly do you think people by consoles to game and not PC's? People don't want AnyPC + SteamOS. They want a shiny box that just works.

When you're found that clarity, you'll understand why the SteamBox is a great idea. But wait! There's more! Understand this today and you'll know why I would ultimately say that it can and most likely will bring consoles and PC closer to eventually share a platform.
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I think I lloll'ed a little. Consoles that just works. Consoles that just put disc. You may find that that was, but it isn't like that anymore.

No you are in fact not getting it:
Steambox is to separate gaming from windows, that is the prime directive. Because Gabe was lazy a bastid and only when windows 8 arrived, he only then waked up and decided the deed must be done.

However... nothing stopped him or Notch or whomever to do this a lot earlier, but they were all just cashing on the free ride. Funny thing this linux getting more and more love now, magically, when the ride has changed.
 
This has been debated so many times but pc's have always received ports of console games ever since the early 90's

virtua fighter 2 1997 - port (saturn)
colin mcrae rally 1998 port (psx) , cmr 2 2000 enhanced port (psx)
need for speed 3 - enhanced port (psx)
need for speed 4 - graphically enhanced but ai degraded port (psx)
gta 3 - port (ps2)
nfs hot pursuit II - port (xbox 1)

the list goes on and on and yet there's always a thread asking the same question everytime, without consoles pc gaming wouldnt advance if it wasnt for the 32 bit console era there probably wouldnt have been pc gpu's and everyone would probably still be stuck with 512kb trident vga cards.
 
Necuno said:
I think I lloll'ed a little. Consoles that just works. Consoles that just put disc. You may find that that was, but it isn't like that anymore.
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Glad I could make you laugh, you're grammar has the same effect :) Having been on Console for the last 6 years, I kinda know that is exactly like that. If you're referring to RRoD, YLoD, drive errors etc. Similar things have been around since the PS1. So yes, it is 99.99% put the disc in and play.

Necuno said:
No you are in fact not getting it:
Steambox is to separate gaming from windows, that is the prime directive. Because Gabe was lazy a bastid and only when windows 8 arrived, he only then waked up and decided the deed must be done.
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That's a lot of speculation. Which I accept as your opinion, nothing more.

Necuno said:
However... nothing stopped him or Notch or whomever to do this a lot earlier, but they were all just cashing on the free ride. Funny thing this linux getting more and more love now, magically, when the ride has changed.
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You seem to be lacking plenty facts. Would you please supply sources to these accusations?
 
Stunt said:
Glad I could make you laugh, you're grammar has the same effect :) Having been on Console for the last 6 years, I kinda know that is exactly like that. If you're referring to RRoD, YLoD, drive errors etc. Similar things have been around since the PS1. So yes, it is 99.99% put the disc in and play.
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If you are going to bitch about grammar at least get yours correct: It is not you're it is your. You do know the difference right?

Stunt said:
That's a lot of speculation. Which I accept as your opinion, nothing more.
You seem to be lacking plenty facts. Would you please supply sources to these accusations?
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Its called logical deduction.

Shall me do a simple one?

a) before windows 8 no complaints
b) after windows 8 complaints

Deduction: windows 8 changed the game.

See ?
 
Necuno said:
If you are going to bitch about grammar at least get yours correct: It is not you're it is your. You do know the difference right?

Its called logical deduction.

Shall me do a simple one?

a) before windows 8 no complaints
b) after windows 8 complaints

Deduction: windows 8 changed the game.

See ?
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No, actually it's called blatant assumption, which you base as factual in a world where public voices have been granted to all via the popularity of Social Media. People aren't ashamed to be using it any more and have found effect in their combined voices. Thus the complaints.

So, it stays your opinion. The fact that you pulled a fast one:

Necuno said:
I think I lloll'ed a little. Consoles that just works. Consoles that just put disc. You may find that that was, but it isn't like that anymore.
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Expecting me to lap it up as truth when it's factually not, is "lloll". That also has me question your debate manner, if it's backed by assumption and opinionated drivel, it remains that, your opinion - which I don't care to change.

So using logical deduction: By you, evidently, pulling facts out you rear-end, I simply deduce that you're not to be trusted and arguing with you will sadly only lead to an endless cycle of "No, you!" like behaviour from you.

So please, I accept your opinion as that. I just hope that there's more to the Steam Machines than what you "think" there is.

Have a good weekend :)
 
Dohc-WP said:
This has been debated so many times but pc's have always received ports of console games ever since the early 90's

virtua fighter 2 1997 - port (saturn)
colin mcrae rally 1998 port (psx) , cmr 2 2000 enhanced port (psx)
need for speed 3 - enhanced port (psx)
need for speed 4 - graphically enhanced but ai degraded port (psx)
gta 3 - port (ps2)
nfs hot pursuit II - port (xbox 1)

the list goes on and on and yet there's always a thread asking the same question everytime, without consoles pc gaming wouldnt advance if it wasnt for the 32 bit console era there probably wouldnt have been pc gpu's and everyone would probably still be stuck with 512kb trident vga cards.
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Including the recent Nfs Rivals, wish it had been built from scratch. Hardly any "proper" graphical options, stupid 30fps cap and unstable game with ridiculously slow frame rates in certain areas.
 
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