Kingdoms of Amalur - Reckoning

OmegaFenix said:
I just didn't think it a review, to me it read more like a first impression. Potato, potahto.
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Doesn't change the fact that it seems vastly different from what I've played.

Penny doesn't mention that the UI is borked nor that the camera is totally in sy moer. He also leaves the impression that effort in game translates into chore. I'd play the game somewhere first before I buy it and confirm that the camera is fixed as well as that it doesn't suffer from being dumbed down. That's my main two concerns for now.

I think I'm going to double check some of his opinions on other titles to confirm something ;)
 
Pr⊕phet said:
You still need to enter the pass (which I suppose you need to reg with first). Not very different from being forced into origin via must install method. Afai-can see the comment still holds.
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What comment? I'm confused about what exactly is the argument here.

If you buy it new you get someone EXTRA for FREE. Are you saying that is a bad thing? Plenty of games have done that, Mass Effect 2 did that with the Cerubus network, Gears of War 2/3 did that with additional maps.

They are trying to encourage people to purchase new by giving incentives yet all people can do is complain.
 
MOnk said:
What comment? I'm confused about what exactly is the argument here.

If you buy it new you get someone EXTRA for FREE. Are you saying that is a bad thing? Plenty of games have done that, Mass Effect 2 did that with the Cerubus network, Gears of War 2/3 did that with additional maps.

They are trying to encourage people to purchase new by giving incentives yet all people can do is complain.
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Firstly why do you TYPE like that, does it help your argument? My 20 20 vision is quite perfect thank you I really don't need eye assistance to read.

Secondly seems you have stuck vision: people can just complain.

Now when you get around that bit you might managed to grasp that there is another argument being tossed around and that is the limitation of second hand sales. That is the end target of online passes which I fully support. However what was said is that you need the pass to complete your story, that's the main gist of dlc which I don't support. I want my full game and not 70% of it while the other 30% is being kept for extra revenue.

Now looking at my response:
Pr⊕phet said:
You still need to enter the pass (which I suppose you need to reg with first). Not very different from being forced into origin via must install method. Afai-can see the comment still holds.
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As far as I understand from online passes it's a system like you said being for example cerubus network. That's quite different from just redeeming a code and getting extra content. That was the comparison with extra relation as to origin and bf3.

The original bleep:
You'd have to register with the online pass to complete your adventure, hence hooking you into some sort of evil system. Which you responded to that it's a lie and it's extra being not included in the initial release. Additional question to that is then why was it not included, surely there wasn't a separate team that just done that in some far of bush and now they have "empty hole" in the story. Of course it's an "intensive" to get you to reg with the online pass. That's the impression if you missed it, whether or not it's completely true.
 
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/01/27/38-studios-head-curt-schilling-apologizes-for-buggy-reckoning/
38 Studios head Curt Schilling has found the NeoGAF forums, folks, and he is quite pleased with them. In a lengthy letter addressing the community, he starts things off by thanking everyone for a massive thread about his company's upcoming game, Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning. And after some minor promotion of said project, he quickly devolves into an apologetic rant about the recently released demo.

"Let me start by apologizing. The demo? Ya, it is way way WAYYYYY more buggy than anything ANYONE should ever release, much less a demo," Schilling wrote. He said that due to "the depth of breadth of a game that has anywhere from 40-50 hours (main quest line play) to 2-300 hours (for completionist)," it was inevitable there would be bugs. However, rather than releasing a demo with said inevitable issues, he argued with EA to not put out a demo at all. A fight that he said he's glad he lost.

"The demo has been a God send, especially when I realize even in this thread, how many people became aware because of the demo," Schilling said. "In a partnership there is a lot of give and take, and I believe in my team, they are world class, but when you have a publisher there are things happening you'd rather not choose. Shipping old code out 3 months prior to gold master to a 3rd party with no stake in the demo success can be problematic." Regardless of the issues, Schilling ultimately says he was glad for the exposure the demo granted Reckoning, and he'll be "chatting more" on NeoGAF in the future.
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I for one am really glad they released a demo, even if it had some bugs.
 
Now when you get around that bit you might managed to grasp that there is another argument being tossed around and that is the limitation of second hand sales. That is the end target of online passes which I fully support. However what was said is that you need the pass to complete your story, that's the main gist of dlc which I don't support. I want my full game and not 70% of it while the other 30% is being kept for extra revenue.
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Additional question to that is then why was it not included, surely there wasn't a separate team that just done that in some far of bush and now they have "empty hole" in the story. Of course it's an "intensive" to get you to reg with the online pass. That's the impression if you missed it, whether or not it's completely true.
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That is what I am saying, you get the whole game no matter what, you just get something else extra if you buy new. The thing is though the whole online pass thing has NOTHING to do with Origin because it has nothing to do with PC gaming. Online passes are for console. PC copies will either be tied to Origin or Steam and there is zero need for a pass.

As for you comment about 'where did it come from' well most games take 3months at least from finishing their game to it hitting retail due to a number of factors including getting the game certified by Microsoft and Sony. The game is also open world with a lot of side quests so it's entirely possible to put in complete story arcs into the game that weren't there before and not have your story affected. So you don't have some "empty hole" in your story, you aren't getting 70% of a game.

It's the same argument as day one DLC, it's NOT content developers have just cut as people always complain, people also think devs work on the release copy right up until the game starts installing on their machine.
 
That is what I am saying, you get the whole game no matter what, you just get something else extra if you buy new. The thing is though the whole online pass thing has NOTHING to do with Origin because it has nothing to do with PC gaming. Online passes are for console. PC copies will either be tied to Origin or Steam and there is zero need for a pass.

As for you comment about 'where did it come from' well most games take 3months at least from finishing their game to it hitting retail due to a number of factors including getting the game certified by Microsoft and Sony. The game is also open world with a lot of side quests so it's entirely possible to put in complete story arcs into the game that weren't there before and not have your story affected. So you don't have some "empty hole" in your story, you aren't getting 70% of a game.

It's the same argument as day one DLC, it's NOT content developers have just cut as people always complain, people also think devs work on the release copy right up until the game starts installing on their machine.
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I can understand that.

Sometimes the online pass/networkX is just a schlep it's like having 20+ digital distribution clients running on your pc. Especially when you just want to play the game like assassins creed II and now you must sit through this and that just to be able to play. Granted I suppose I'm lazy at that, but seriously a separate network/client for each game?

I totally get it why it is there, but I would like the option just to play over being forced to reg to this thing and now must play through it. Ubisoft is obviously an extreme example since they like to go draconian drm++ on us. As for side note, I'm not a pc gamer I'm just a gamer enjoying games on my multiple platforms...

Meh I went bit OT on this.
 
I also hate being forced to use one client over the other, as far as I am concerned you should be free to buy your games on whatever platform you want and ONLY have use their client. Having multiple stores is fine, it's even good since it encourages competition, but don't make crappy exclusive deals that just hurt your customers.
 
Been watching the mastery trailers for this game. Damn it really does look impressive. I am just a lil concerned about the leveling system. Is it upgrade strength and a skill in Diablo fashion or is it more Darksiders / Rise of Argonauts style?
 
simon said:
Been watching the mastery trailers for this game. Damn it really does look impressive. I am just a lil concerned about the leveling system. Is it upgrade strength and a skill in Diablo fashion or is it more Darksiders / Rise of Argonauts style?
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Ever played Fable? It's Leveling is similar to wat KoA are doing.
 
OmegaFenix said:
Ever played Fable? It's Leveling is similar to wat KoA are doing.
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Ah ok, well that isn't too bad. From what I remember Fable didn't have any strength as such upgrades it was more masteries in powerful hitting in a "strength" section is what made the character stronger or more leveled up should I say. No +1 strength swords etc?
 
simon said:
Ah ok, well that isn't too bad. From what I remember Fable didn't have any strength as such upgrades it was more masteries in powerful hitting in a "strength" section is what made the character stronger or more leveled up should I say. No +1 strength swords etc?
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Yeah, I don't actually remember any stats like in Dnd. Did u try the demo?
 
OmegaFenix said:
Yeah, I don't actually remember any stats like in Dnd. Did u try the demo?
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No, I want to get the demo but I lack the internet bandwidth and download speed. It will be an untried purchase for me based on things I read of reviews and peoples opinions.
 
simon said:
No, I want to get the demo but I lack the internet bandwidth and download speed. It will be an untried purchase for me based on things I read of reviews and peoples opinions.
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Have you tried checking if someone else in the CT area can't do it for you and you just give them a flash drive/cd?
 
MOnk said:
IGN Review: 9.0

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I Generally dislike IGN reviews, finding them lacking when compared to gameinformer or game trailer. However this review still got the point across; Amalur is going to be a great addition to any RPG fans collection.
 
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