Yet again another strike due to hit

So fighting for an unjust salary and destroying things in the process while not doing the work they are suppose to do in their Jobs is called equality?

By equality I mean a fair wage.

They mostly are lazy and never get the work done here in KZN. There is always rubbish everywhere and nothing is maintained or fixed plus sometimes they never pick up our rubbish or they are too busy having a tea break.

If they were actually doing the work and more I could understand why they would want a larger salary to support their family.

I think that the quality of the work delivered is management's function. The people running government departments should be held accountable for rubbish lying everywhere. But you'll find that they are pocketing an inequitable share of the money that the taxpayers are paying and not providing workers with the proper level of leadership.


The people who do work well and want equality are the ones who never strike since they are content in their jobs and with the salary (even if it is unjust) and also find it pointless to fight, since people don't listen to them.

It is not pointless to fight. We should all fight to ensure nobody has to settle with a salary which not fair or a standard of living that is meager.
 
The strikes are an unfortunate consequence of people fighting for equality. Those who work in other industries should join and support the struggle of all workers in South Africa!
Um no. It screws us all over. Let me explain:

Ignoring the damage, disruptions and overturned dustbins in the CBD those 3x inflation rate wage hike demands boost the overall level of inflation. End result is the central bank has to increase the repo rate and you end up paying more for your mortgage. Yay!

Worse still it makes SA unattractive as an investment location. You know what happens when wages increase by 18%. The BMW/VW/Toyota plant fires the workers and buys robots. Less tooi toing more efficiency. In fact they are doing that anyway because the government keeps piling extra taxes on each employee. Skills development levy & all that crap. No doubt you'll tell me that is for our future. The truth is the gov is sitting on billions of skills development cash that nobody is claiming because the useless gov & regulations make it near impossible (red tape).

We need to compete against Nigeria, China etc. Here they demand R2000 increase, there R2000 is the entire month's salary. Where do you think companies go? Yeah no point getting 18% increases on a non-existent job.

And finally...on the topic of people fighting for equality: People are not equal. At best the people should fight for equal opportunity.

It is not pointless to fight. We should all fight to ensure nobody has to settle with a salary which not fair or a standard of living that is meager.
Salaries aren't set by need or desired living standard, but rather by the value contributed. You can't contribute R10k worth of value to a company and expect a 100k paycheck. Doesn't work like that.
 
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The should be charged for economic sabotage. :mad:
I could not agree more. I assume they are striking due to a wage dispute? Do protesters not understand if the business offers a 6% increase and they are demanding a 12% increase that, if the increase is implemented, many of them will lose their jobs?
 
Walked past the Telkom shop on Sunday and wondered why there was a crowd outside, thought it may be a strike, then I walked back past and saw the TV inside was showing the Kaiser Chiefs Game :o
 
The strikes are an unfortunate consequence of people fighting for equality. Those who work in other industries should join and support the struggle of all workers in South Africa!

Um I'm sorry and what hole did you crawl out of, because seriously it's not a struggle or a fight for equality, this isn't the apartheid era you chop. This is just plain insolence and a bunch of people who think it's a great time to take a holiday as well as throw their toys outta the cot because ah shaaaaame poor workers aren't getting enough.

What about the rest of us that are civilized and know exactly where to draw the line. If a company can't afford to pay 15% increase on salaries and wages then deal with it. What some people don't realize is that you're not the only one who earns an honest living, there are about what 90000 give or take of people who companies need to pay for and in the long run it comes down to whether or not the telco sector has been delivering well enough to it's clientele.

If people strike and fuck up the telco sector it only causes more damage to the countries economy and makes you look like idiots and you end up getting screwed over in the long run anyway. People should get salary increases based on performance and if you're not giving that 15% then suck it up and deal with what you receive, that is how the real corporate world works. If I was running my own company I would tell all those workers to find new jobs and hire people who are actually willing to put in the time and effort because they want to work and do what is required of them.

These unions are a load of bullshit and should not be allowed, striking should be classified as illegal because of how people react and destroy shit to their liking.

Honestly grow and get out of the fact that you think you're living in the apartheid times where you think that you're fighting for equality and a struggle that faded away a long time ago, it's childish and immature. I'm guessing you weren't even apart of what went on in the past, well I can tell you now that neither was I or most of the forum members here and for you to say you are fighting for equality, well you sir deserve a nice slap up over the back of your head and catch a wakeup. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD AND REALITY!!!!

/rant over

Oh and just to add, EVERYONE is struggling in these times so we all have to deal with it, what makes someone like you more different than anyone else, and please avoid the racial card because I will reach into this internet and beat your ass...
 
If people strike and fuck up the telco sector it only causes more damage to the countries economy and makes you look like idiots and you end up getting screwed over in the long run anyway. People should get salary increases based on performance and if you're not giving that 15% then suck it up and deal with what you receive, that is how the real corporate world works. If I was running my own company I would tell all those workers to find new jobs and hire people who are actually willing to put in the time and effort because they want to work and do what is required of them.
On a side note, I have always wondered is it legal to state that if you, the worker, strike you will be fired or dicplinary action will be taken. Are you allowed to include that in the contract?
 
On a side note, I have always wondered is it legal to state that if you, the worker, strike you will be fired or dicplinary action will be taken. Are you allowed to include that in the contract?

As someone who works in HR, you are indeed allowed to state that in a contract. for example Auditing Clerks are not allowed in any way allowed to be apart of any form of a union. It can also be added to your HR policy that any form of protesting or striking can face disciplinary charges and possible dismissal.
 
I see, why not add it then? Why run the risk of losing thousands due to workers going on strike for a wage increase that you cannot afford anyway?
 
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Well said there boet, I got your back all the way. I couldn't have said it better myself and I feel exactly the same way about it.

PS. Unions should be classified as terrorism, that's all it it. Most of the people on strike don't even want to be there but they get threatened with death if they don't partake. BULLSHIT! Ban the motherfudgin' unions and stop making kak for everyone in this country.
 
...because seriously it's not a struggle or a fight for equality, this isn't the apartheid era you chop...
Who siad anything about apartheid??
Public demonstrations that advocate the fair treatment of workers are in my opinion a fight for equality. Equality in the workplace and equitable distribution of the toils of all parties engaged in business activities.

What about the rest of us that are civilized and know exactly where to draw the line. If a company can't afford to pay 15% increase on salaries and wages then deal with it.
All workers should strive for equality in the workplace, if you decide to draw a line for yourself that hinders you enjoying your human rights then that is entirely up to you.
You don't know what the company can afford or what it cannot afford and making assumptions to the benefit of the corporate bosses and the detriment of the workers is something that society should not stand for. There numerous examples of company mismanagement in the "real corporate world", the most recent of which has resulted in a financial crisis and the ruin of innumerable people across the world
 
3x inflation rate wage hike demands boost the overall level of inflation. End result is the central bank has to increase the repo rate

Valid point, but then we have to ask ourselves why were wages so low to begin with? Either way we are sitting with the problem that people are not enumerated in a manner that allows them to enjoy the equal opportunities that you speak of. Education, retirement planning, health care not to even mention the luxuries enjoyed by a minority of South Africans.

Worse still it makes SA unattractive as an investment location.
What good are investments that don't enhance the lives of the majority but enrich the lives of the fortunate few. What good is it living in a country with abundant natural resources when the majority of people cannot earn a decent wage?

I'm not saying that we need to destroy everything so that we are all poor. I'm saying that when you see something is wrong don't turn you back and call the people ignorant just because they want to effect change. We should all be looking for solutions to the problems of our country as this is in everyone's interest
 
How about those people start EARNING their fscking wages in the first place?! Instead of bloddy toitoiing all over the place, every 2 weeks, destroying other people's goods and property. I'm just so over the politics in this damn country, I want to punch Julius' teeth out.

/rant over
 
Who siad anything about apartheid??
Public demonstrations that advocate the fair treatment of workers are in my opinion a fight for equality. Equality in the workplace and equitable distribution of the toils of all parties engaged in business activities.


All workers should strive for equality in the workplace, if you decide to draw a line for yourself that hinders you enjoying your human rights then that is entirely up to you.
You don't know what the company can afford or what it cannot afford and making assumptions to the benefit of the corporate bosses and the detriment of the workers is something that society should not stand for. There numerous examples of company mismanagement in the "real corporate world", the most recent of which has resulted in a financial crisis and the ruin of innumerable people across the world

Ok well then think about this, there will NEVER be equality in the work place. It never has been that way and never will be, because there are those who will never understand and just cause chaos. Companies don't have equality for a reason and a company is not a democracy, it's a simple place of work.

Equality in the work place is not possible because, you have your bottom of the pack and then your top of the food chain, oh wait that's also known as superiority and why should someone starting at the bottom be classified as equal to the CEO who knows what they're doing. That's my first point, my second point is that companies have had mismanagement yes but you also have to look at not only management, but the workers themselves. If a worker is not up to standard you're going to warn them, if they do not rock up for work, you have to chase them and find out what's going on.

When your dustbin guys go on strike and knock over the bins and trash the streets of SA, do you seriously think of mismanagement in the business or municipality within which they work?? No because they do that at their own discretion, how should they be treated as equal to the heads that run those places when they can't be civilized themselves.

People shouldn't be making the assumptions that the company has money or doesn't because assumptions are the mother of all fsck ups. If you see your boss roll into work the next day with a brand spanking new car, hell I would also lose it if they told me I wasn't getting an increase and the next day I see my boss with a new car, however there is no need for uncivilized behaviour, and causing malicious damage to others who have not done a single thing to you.

As for your first reply:
When you talk about fighting a struggle and fighting for equality, it's as bright as day that you're fighting in an era that died almost 2 decades ago. if you clearly state that you're debating about salary disputes etc... then it's a different story, who says you deserve the 15% increase and why. People should be submitting an annual salary review to their managers and directors, not striking like a bunch of idiots and trashing the streets because they want more money.

Unions are bullshit, and so what if they protect their members, who says a company should. The unions should be made liable for any damage that is cost to the country due to their members and their childish acts.
 
Unions are bullshit, and so what if they protect their members, who says a company should. The unions should be made liable for any damage that is cost to the country due to their members and their childish acts.

The DA is actually claiming back from the unions the damage done to the City of Cape Town. Take that you union scum! :D
 

Business in my opinion should not be zero sum game. Chasing profits doesn't equate to exploitation and infringement of the rights of other people. It should be win win. And while some people hold the opposite view, the view that some should have and others should starve, then we will continue to have problems in our country.
 
Business in my opinion should not be zero sum game. Chasing profits doesn't equate to exploitation and infringement of the rights of other people. It should be win win. And while some people hold the opposite view, the view that some should have and others should starve, then we will continue to have problems in our country.

Obviously not, but why do you think companies release annual financial reports and viewable for the employees too. I say those guys are just lazy to try and understand how their work place works. I just had this same debate with a colleague of mine and we both agreed that these workers should be reviewed based on performance etc...

How would you feel if say you were working your hardest and you ended up being told that you're not getting the 15% you worked your ass off for but you're getting 10% instead and a colleague of yours who literally does jack at work and gets the exact same as you. Would you rather throw your toys, or would you handle the manner in a civil sense? Would you not want things to work on a performance based infrastructure where the only equality that should be seen is the fact at how hard you work and what your work ethics are actually like.

Would you really want to be seen the same and be paid the same as a person that can't do their job properly, are always late for work, sometimes not rocking up because they are faking a sick day, etc...?? This is why unions are a waste of time, and unions are a high factor when it comes to the problems with which this country is facing when it boils down to the economical crisis and what's really going on.
 
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