Karma system incoming!

[Weasley]

I've actually got quite a stellar IQ, and thus I finish tasks a lot faster than the average human, thus, I have a lot of free time on my hands, which allows me to associate with all you nice folk Granted, a lot of you get "butthurt" by the things I say, but that is not my intention.

Although, according to some users, "I'm not even trolling intelligently anymore." Every time that user has no come back he tells me that. I can count the number of the number of times that "I haven't been trolling intelligently anymore."
Also, that user also tells every other user to report me to James if they feel I'm trolling. For everything, report him to James. Because obviously James has nothing better to do with his time than deal with the vendetta one user has against me.

And it all started why? Because I chose to use the nickname that HE had been using to troll the comments section of this site. From trolling to being trolled. And then he makes it seem like he's such an innocent angel. At every argument, he's there to cause a scene. And then suddenly everyone else become the trolls.

So to answer your question. Yes, I am still here And I do not intend to leave simply because one user has something against me and has convinced so many other users that I am pure evil.

Are you serious? As seems more you want some1 new to fight with.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Are you ready for your incoming neg rep

What he hasn't realised yet is that he can't give or take rep. He's wasting his own time.

If that isn't clear enough to him: Hurdur, your rep is worth shit.

So to answer your question. Yes, I am still here And I do not intend to leave simply because one user has something against me and has convinced so many other users that I am pure evil.

You don't think, perhaps that there is a valid reason apart from your blame-shifting as to why you've been previously banned and why no-one here cares for your nonsense?

Unfortunately, the mods tolerate you. Obviously even shit has a place in the world.

Regardless, I'm outta here. Unlike others in this thread, I have better things to occupy myself with than the local village idiot.

 

[Graal]

I've actually got quite a stellar IQ, and thus I finish tasks a lot faster than the average human, thus, I have a lot of free time on my hands, which allows me to associate with all you nice folk Granted, a lot of you get "butthurt" by the things I say, but that is not my intention.

Although, according to some users, "I'm not even trolling intelligently anymore." Every time that user has no come back he tells me that. I can count the number of the number of times that "I haven't been trolling intelligently anymore."
Also, that user also tells every other user to report me to James if they feel I'm trolling. For everything, report him to James. Because obviously James has nothing better to do with his time than deal with the vendetta one user has against me.

And it all started why? Because I chose to use the nickname that HE had been using to troll the comments section of this site. From trolling to being trolled. And then he makes it seem like he's such an innocent angel. At every argument, he's there to cause a scene. And then suddenly everyone else become the trolls.

So to answer your question. Yes, I am still here And I do not intend to leave simply because one user has something against me and has convinced so many other users that I am pure evil.

I lol'ed at the sheer ridiculousness of this entire post.

Also, I don't need to convince anyone that you're 'evil', you've done a good enough convincing them that you're a troll yourself.

And no offense, but people with an above average IQ don't post spoilers to games in threads as if they thought it was going to go down well, nor do they cause a shitstorm and create threads about how they're being 'victimized', and much less do they neg-rep people back simply because they neg-repped you for your shit posts.

 

[tpex]

Hurder what is your view on the piracy of games and anime?

 

[James]

This whole argument is rather silly, isn't it?

I suggest that everyone who has a problem with Hurdur place him on their ignore list and does not interact with him.

I suggest that Hurdur, as a junior member, stop directly antagonizing the senior members. Play the ball, not the man.

Hurdur was banned for an entire month for his spoiler post; and he may or may not have learned a lesson there. If he steps out of line again with a serious offense, he will get banned again.

He isn't being ignored by the mods, he is being watched.

If he truly wants to become a contributing member of MyGaming, then he has a lot of reputation damage to repair, in both senses as it applies here.

This thread remains open because it seems to be functioning like the appendix of the forum for Karma system complaints. Don't let this spill out into other threads.

 

[Hurdur]

If that isn't clear enough to him: Hurdur, your rep is worth shit.

Shit has value. One mans trash is another treasure.

Hurder what is your view on the piracy of games and anime?

It's Hurdur. I have a PS3, so piracy isn't an option for me. And anime? Bleach. Definitely. (Also, if you're trying to figure out who I am in real life, then instead of doing so with arbitrary questions about my personal interests, may I suggest you simply PM me so we can reason it out.)

I lol'ed at the sheer ridiculousness of this entire post.

Also, I don't need to convince anyone that you're 'evil', you've done a good enough convincing them that you're a troll yourself.

And no offense, but people with an above average IQ don't post spoilers to games in threads as if they thought it was going to go down well, nor do they cause a shitstorm and create threads about how they're being 'victimized', and much less do they neg-rep people back simply because they neg-repped you for your shit posts.

Why are you talking to me? I thought I was supposed to be on your ignore list. Because as James has mentioned. I have a lot of damage to repair to be considered a contributer here, and if you're constantly going to converse with me, then I'm only going to be baited by you and get myself into more trouble. I can't help it, I'm easily baited by the things you say. It's really not my fault. It's just who I am.

 

[Graal]

I'm easily baited by the things you say. It's really not my fault. It's just who I am.

GTFO. I'm not even close to being the picture of a model forum user, but when you're clearly trolling like this, I have no idea how the hell you haven't been banned yet. You have absolutely no intention of redeeming yourself, and you continuously make this clear by continuing to antagonize other members.

My guess is you're aware of the fact that everyone now knows you're a troll, and you no longer care for discretion, so you're just blatantly trolling because you couldn't be arsed otherwise. Seriously, I don't know why I even click to view your posts, because either ours goes right over your head, or you're so intent on trolling, you just couldn't give a shit about them.

Either way, any semblance of discussion we could have had with you is now clearly gone, a it's just going to be responded to by mockery and trolling, so I can safely say that my curiosity won't even get the better of me next time I see a post by you. I won't even have to look to know it's just another attempt at antagonizing other members.

 

[DenSweeP]

I've actually got quite a stellar IQ, and thus I finish tasks a lot faster than the average human, thus, I have a lot of free time on my hands, which allows me to associate with all you nice folk Granted, a lot of you get "butthurt" by the things I say, but that is not my intention.

...So to answer your question. Yes, I am still here And I do not intend to leave simply because one user has something against me and has convinced so many other users that I am pure evil.

If you think that there is only one person here that dislikes you, then, um, I've got some bad news for you...

And then your understanding of the reputation system speaks rather to your lack of IQ than to your self proclaimed "stellar IQ", because to think that you must neg rep someone simply because they gave you neg repuation, well that kind of says it all doesn't it?

You sir are clearly a professional troll out to bait others and create flame wars on this forum. If I had any say, I would vote against you remaining a member of these forums, because your sole intention here is to stir, but fortuantely for you, you have chosen one of the better forums with a very leniant attitude towards trolls and are thus able to get away with these posts, but I suspect that even cucumber cool James' patience is wearing thin...

 

[Hurdur]

If you think that there is only one person here that dislikes you, then, um, I've got some bad news for you...

And then your understanding of the reputation system speaks rather to your lack of IQ than to your self proclaimed "stellar IQ", because to think that you must neg rep someone simply because they gave you neg repuation, well that kind of says it all doesn't it?

You sir are clearly a professional troll out to bait others and create flame wars on this forum. If I had any say, I would vote against you remaining a member of these forums, because your sole intention here is to stir, but fortuantely for you, you have chosen one of the better forums with a very leniant attitude towards trolls and are thus abke to get away with these posts, but I suspect that even cucumber cool Jame's patience is wearing thin...

Hey man. I just thought I should tell you that EQ and IQ are two different concepts entirely, negging someone because they negged you first typically falls under ones emotional quotient. Not intelligence quotient.

Also, you misspelled quite a few words. I'll correct them for you: Reputation. Fortunately. Able. Lenient. That typically falls under IQ. I hope I've helped illustrate the difference.

I resent that people call me a troll. What I really am, is someone who gives as good as he gets. Now please, leave me alone. If I really am a troll then are you guys not working yourselves up into a sweat over someone who couldn't be deterred by the things you say? I'm really trying my best to keep it locked down here. But if you all call me out then I am going to retaliate. That's just the way of human beings. Regardless of their status in society.

 

[wheunis]

Probably a while late to actually revive this thread back to topic (Thanks Hurdur), but I will try anyway...

Karma, rep, status; Call it whatever you want, it fails on all accounts no matter how good the intention was.
The only thing that it serves is to force people out of their opinions, should it not be the popular vote from everyone else.
As someone else said:

The one other issue I sometimes have is with how the community feels towards and issue, eg piracy. Most of you are against piracy, but say someone were to post a rational discussion of why they are for it, they could be voted down into oblivion even though they have a valid opinion. I know most of you are going to say "Oh, but I would never do that if he has a valid opinion!" Well yes, you wouldn't - but validity would be subjective.

Sadly, it's far more than that. Validity is far more than subjectivity. My opinion, no matter how callous, misinformed, stupid, retarded, heartless, cruel, capitalist, (add more adjectives to your own specifications)...
IS.
MY.
OPINION.

No system of rep is ever appropriate to "demote" people just because of this.

You might be sitting behind your chair and thinking that "Oh, but we moderate them so that it's not abused as such!".
Well you're shit-down wrong and misinformed if that is what you're thinking.

I've already been marked a troll for posting an opinion;
I've already been neg-repped for what the other person perceives as "Completely callow and lacking in empathy. It's just a pity I can't neg-rep you twice" ... Coz I don't agree with their definition of discipline?

And now you want to convince me that these are being moderated with complete distance and objectivity to the topic?!

As always: I will say what nobody else is willing to say.
Screw your system altogether. At least I thoroughly don't give a shit.
There's my opinion - go ahead and negative me for it, proving that its horsecrap through and through...

 

[Graal]

The only thing that it serves is to force people out of their opinions, should it not be the popular vote from everyone else.

This happens very infrequently, but I agree wholeheartedly with wheunis here. Just look at all the neg-rep giving out over BF3. Yeah, I've sometimes got a really strong opinion on the game, but even when I posted a reasonable, non-inflammatory opinion on why I won't be getting the game, I got a bunch of neg-rep for it, one of which said "Don't be a d00s". For not wanting to buy your favorite game? I'm sorry, I didn't know that that makes me a douchebag. Next time I'll lie and say I want to buy it simply because you don't like it if I talk the truth.

 

[James]

Well, sounds like the reputation system just breeds animosity.

We removed the anonymity so people can at least see who neg repped them and for what; while we thought it might encourage people to use reputation wisely, it seems to simply breed contempt between the participants.

Perhaps a reputation system doesn't fit in around here; people should be judged on the caliber of their posts and not some arbitrary reputation number.

Two options then: turn it off completely, or turn off the negative rep side of things, so people can only give positive feedback.

 

[Necuno]

Well, sounds like the reputation system just breeds animosity.

We removed the anonymity so people can at least see who neg repped them and for what; while we thought it might encourage people to use reputation wisely, it seems to simply breed contempt between the participants.

Perhaps a reputation system doesn't fit in around here; people should be judged on the caliber of their posts and not some arbitrary reputation number.

Two options then: turn it off completely, or turn off the negative rep side of things, so people can only give positive feedback.

I logically see only one person who can't grasp the concept of the system, while one or two can't seem to know when enough is enough and stop coming back for more. So that's ±3 users out of the total user base, bit far from breeding animosity when there is clearly like 1% that's the problem and other 99% can use it quite perfectly, don't you think ?

I can see this resolved in one easy step: pull and give infraction/warning to those three, if that doesn't work then temp ban, if that doesn't work then perma barn. Simple as that, I mean really.

 

[Graal]

I logically see only one person who can't grasp the concept of the system, while one or two can't seem to know when enough is enough and stop coming back for more. So that's ±3 users out of the total user base, bit far from breeding animosity when there is clearly like 1% that's the problem and other 99% can use it quite perfectly, don't you think ?

You're missing how widespread the issue is. Even I was involved in a spat about neg-rep until last week (okay, that might not sounds as surprising as I'd hoped it would. ). Just look at how often people bring up neg-rep in normal threads, someone gets neg-repped and he feels the need to point it out and derail the very thread in which he was neg-repped. Happens quite regularly.

 

[Necuno]

Graal, I quite like you, but it's time to not respond any more even if you want to. It's not cool, funny or anything any more but truly pointless as something chasing it's rear end infinity. I say up, you say down, repeat ?

Note that this is my final reply to you and other two. Don't expect me to join in the infinite loop, because seriously. Much better things to do IRL and on myg/myb.

:edit
Use the correct channels, James and mods will definitely try to assist where possible as they've quite done that enough with my silly and odd requests or messages. Just use the damned PM system and sort it out. I'm quite sure I speak for a lot of us when I say we are dead tired now of this pointless We Pe We Pe We Pe about Hurdur and co.

 

[Graal]

Indeed, it was never my intention for it to be cool or funny or anything, but you do understand why I'm slightly more invested in the issue than most other people around here? I've been having the shit trolled out of me for the better part of this whole year? Yes, I probably brought it over myself by continuously responding to trolls in the beginning, but once you and your friends' personal info start getting posted on public sites, and you start receiving random emails threatening you and your family with physical violence, it gets a bit hard to simply sit back and ignore it when one of the people I suspect to be the culprit keeps trying to paint himself as the victim and me as the troll.

Either way, now that Hurdur has made his intentions to troll this forum clear, it would be rather arbitrary for me to continue responding to him, so I won't. I also think the comments section trolling is pretty much at an end now. Me and James discussed it and agreed to simply blacklist the name Graal and any deviations entirely, so that nobody can post under that name, seeing as whoever the asshole is jumped to register my nick on Disqus the moment the site switched over to login-to-comment.

 

[wheunis]

Well, sounds like the reputation system just breeds animosity.

We removed the anonymity so people can at least see who neg repped them and for what; while we thought it might encourage people to use reputation wisely, it seems to simply breed contempt between the participants.

Perhaps a reputation system doesn't fit in around here; people should be judged on the caliber of their posts and not some arbitrary reputation number.

Two options then: turn it off completely, or turn off the negative rep side of things, so people can only give positive feedback.

The whole idea was "sold" under assumption of moderation, which it clearly is not. In the case that it is, then the moderation is pretty bad.
Negative rep can still stay, but seriously, reserve it to reporting blatant trolling, flaming, etc (unacceptable behaviour).
Getting negatived for your opinion, or worse - your very personality - , that kinda thing leaves a horribly bad taste in my mouth when I have to try convince myself that these reps passed some form of moderation...

Either moderate or don't.
With moderation, fine, leave the system in place. But at least moderate neutrally and without bias to the issue at hand.
Without moderation, remove the negative rep thing. Personally it's not breeding anomosity towards the people who negative me. I really don't care what people think. But it does remove a lot of free thought in conversation if every time you raise a controversial opinion, suddenly you're a neg-repped douchebag?
It demotes conversation to a watery level of "I agree, because if I don't, eventually my posts won't even show up anymore!"

Still, I don't think rep should ever be given regardless. Not positive or negative.
It simply divides the whole forum into some stupid contest of who can agree with more people per post.
Leave an option available to report trolling and other such, and that's that.

Then again, in some sort of agreement with Prophet... a few people are being jackasses to the detriment of the larger population.
Maybe put up a warning to people on the rep function that abuse or ridiculous rep will be punished (and obviously enforce it).

 

[shadowfox]

I don't really have a problem with the karma system - I've had one neg rep so far that could be defined as ridiculous inasfar as it was done as a joke - I saw it as such and didn't see the need to neg rep the person back for doing it. Other than that I've tried my best to avoid antagonising people, and I've restrained myself from using -rep - the only times I've used it thus far was either for someone attacking another member of the forum (which I believes deserves the neg rep), doing an epic thread-necro in order to post pad, or some similar action that drags the quality of this forum down.

Disagreeing with something I say is not cause for neg rep - that much is abuse of the system. I don't - for instance, completely agree with what wheunis is saying above - his challenge to neg rep notwithstanding - but just hitting neg doesn't give me a chance to objectively read through his statement, comparing it with my thoughts and either adding or subtracting to/from them.

The function of the system - in my view - is to allow people to put some thought into what they put down on the forum, and to discourage them, basically, from pissing on people's batteries. Removing the neg-rep kinda breaks that function in my point of view.

In any case, since we're trying to encourage people to contribute and be ... I dunno ... "worthy" members, if scrapping the system is the only option left, you should consider looking at other ways of getting folks to contribute. It's a bit admin intensive, but I've seen plenty of forums who do quarterly/monthly events, if you will, where they hand out various titles (with associated little badges/titles) for the various ways people contribute - so you'd have the most helpful, the funniest, the biggest post-whore (syco obviously) etc etc. Some of them are sort of serious, some of them are tongue in cheek, but they tend to get the community involved because they get to nominate and vote for the winners.

So yeah ... lots of admin involved, but it's a thought.

 

[Sou1Co11ector]

Don't care about the Karma system or the Rep system.

I have received positive and negative rep, but I con't care about it because it doesn't affect my life in any meaningful way. So implement, don't implement it. Doesn't really matter to me.

 

[James]

The whole idea was "sold" under assumption of moderation, which it clearly is not. In the case that it is, then the moderation is pretty bad.

Don't know where the assumption of moderation came from. As with posts, people have to report a problem to the mods if something needs to be sorted out. We can't sit here all day monitoring every reputation post and forum post; that would be a lot of work.

Shadowfox's suggestion is interesting, but it's not something the admin team can spearhead; we have other stuff to focus on. Community driven initiatives are welcome. Speak to me if you want to make some part of it official.