Question about Radeon ati 5770

jasong said:
Please push up that hard drive lol. I have tears in my bright blue eyes.

Otherwise that is a lot better, turning into a very nice rig :D
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LOL to be honest with you the biggest hd I've ever had was 80GB :p which I'm still using to this day. 160gb would be quite a leap for me
 
Yeah...look.... this is a gaming machine right. 160 isn't enough in this day and age. Everything about this is going to be a leap for you. 4 or 5 big games, plus pics music movies and apps and you've filled up your drive before you can sneeze.
 
It kind of also depends what you want to do with this pc - get the best performance now or build in upgrading capability later. Because basically you won't be able to go higher with this motherboard, but what you can do down the line is get an am3 board and some ddr3 and swap out, then upgrade the cpu when you see something attractive. Or just get a lower cpu now and you have the capability to upgrade that when you have the money. I went the former route.

I'm also not altogether convinced on the wisdom of the 5770 - ok it has dx11 but dx11 takes a performance hit on a normal card, so to get that benefit you're going to be playing at something like 10% slower than 4870 speeds which for r2000 - I mean is it worth it? Couldn't you just get a 4890 and frankly you won't miss the difference anyway because there is basically ONE game that utilizes it? Then you'll have a ton more speed and I doubt you'll miss dx11.
 
Hmm I won't have windows 7 or vista now, will be running Xp. So will be at dx10 anyway. You saying that that card would be faster for me?
 
XP = DX9. Yes the only advantage to getting a 5770 over a 4890 (if the prices are the same) is for dx11 support. Otherwise rather get a faster older gen card and lower power req which your corsair can handle any single gpu so it doesn't matter too much. 5770 is somewhere around 4870 levels of speed which for r2k isn't so hot. But if you value Eyefinity and DX11 it might be a worthwhile trade-off.
 
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jasong said:
It kind of also depends what you want to do with this pc - get the best performance now or build in upgrading capability later. Because basically you won't be able to go higher with this motherboard, but what you can do down the line is get an am3 board and some ddr3 and swap out, then upgrade the cpu when you see something attractive. Or just get a lower cpu now and you have the capability to upgrade that when you have the money. I went the former route.

I'm also not altogether convinced on the wisdom of the 5770 - ok it has dx11 but dx11 takes a performance hit on a normal card, so to get that benefit you're going to be playing at something like 10% slower than 4870 speeds which for r2000 - I mean is it worth it? Couldn't you just get a 4890 and frankly you won't miss the difference anyway because there is basically ONE game that utilizes it? Then you'll have a ton more speed and I doubt you'll miss dx11.
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I also made that point before i got a 5770 and you can go check the screenies in the pc gaming section where i uploaded my Dirt2 game on everything Ultra. I have an AMD 550 x2 BE, 4GB DDR2 800 and win 7 ult 64bit with the 5770 and Dirt2 can be played everything maxed out. Obviously the big boys are a lot better but for the price of the 5770 in comparison with anything else new or old you simply cant ignore the 5770. For me i had to choose between the 5770, 4870, 4890, GTS250, GTX265 and after extensive pondering and reading on the net it just made more sense in getting the 5770.
 
I'm sure you can max out everything on a 5770 - just like I could with a 4850. But if you have r2k to spend I'd rather go for something faster like a 4890. That's my pref. 5770 only makes sense if DX11 is important to you. Benchmarks put it about head to head with a 4870 - win some lose some - and significantly behind the 4890.
 
jasong said:
I'm sure you can max out everything on a 5770 - just like I could with a 4850. But if you have r2k to spend I'd rather go for something faster like a 4890. That's my pref. 5770 only makes sense if DX11 is important to you. Benchmarks put it about head to head with a 4870 - win some lose some - and significantly behind the 4890.
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Bah the 4890 is R400 over my budget. I think I'll stick with the 5770 tbh, I really wouldn't mind dx11 when I get Windows 7. Though you say the 4890 is faster than the 5770, but by how much?
 
Im sorry the differences we are talking about is so minimal that you might aswell get the card with DX11. The other thing is go phone your suppliers and ask them if they have and/or how hard is it to get 4890/4870's these days. I wanted a 4890 but i could not find one at the time so i went for the 5770.
 
Well looks all well for me, i built and fixed a lot of pc's for people in my town. Firstly as every one says hdd way to small, even 160mb, games are coming out 7-10 gigs these days, and as they say movies, app's, windows, give or take a week its full.
http://www.take2.co.za/electronics-...wd5000aads-500gb-hdd-32mb-cache--4874164.html
116 rand more than your hard drive, and its 500 gb. Very good make. So ya i would not even tell you to think about it, that is the choice. :)

Mobo, well all you do have good points, but remember one thing, is the mobo is like the foundation of a pc, if you have no foundation you have no house, no use having all the bricks and have no foundation. Yes i say there no need to have the best mobo, but a mother board does have a influence on the functionality of a pc. Just when buying the CPU that the mother board accepts all the specs, fsb and so on. I bought this mobo for my pc: https://www.take2.co.za/electronics...otherboard-socket-775-3905394.html?inactive=1. As you can see i made a comment about the wrong specifications but runs great, and had really no problems with it.

Just remember that hdd, if you can no afford more then take R200 rand from mobo, not really much of a difference if you buy correct mobo. But buy a 500gb hard drive, i sadly bought a 500mb my other one crashed the other day so lost those documents and that. Believe me most gaming pc's do not even think of 160 mb.
 
The speed difference is substantial. Check the benchmarks - 4890 will be 15-20% ahead of 5770 on average. 5770 is crippled by 128 bit bus width - even ddr5 memory can't fully compensate. You can overclock it to perform about as well as a 260 but I doubt it would ever reach 4890 levels of performance. I was hoping for great things from the 5770's but looking through the reviews I'm quite disappointed. I see Prophecy has the 4890 for r2000.... isn't that about what you pay for the 5770? If prices are equal the 4890 is a no brainer. Otherwise rather go for a 5770 I suppose. I'd still prefer something more like a 260 but I go for speed 1st.

Wootware has the 4890 club3d for r2000 http://www.wootware.co.za/catalogsearch/result/?q=4890&x=0&y=0
 
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jasong said:
It kind of also depends what you want to do with this pc - get the best performance now or build in upgrading capability later. Because basically you won't be able to go higher with this motherboard, but what you can do down the line is get an am3 board and some ddr3 and swap out, then upgrade the cpu when you see something attractive. Or just get a lower cpu now and you have the capability to upgrade that when you have the money. I went the former route.
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I would rather have a better CPU now and a less expensive mother board, by the time you going to get cash to upgrade your CPU then all that time that you been struggling will be over yes, but was it worth it? Ddr3 is dam expensive and not worth it, ddr2 now for lower level cash outs is totally worth it 4 gigs dd2 is great can run any game if you have a good GPU. So i would rather wait for the AM3 boards, and ddr3 to come down and then maybe think of upgrading now, as if you upgrade now you pay a hell of a price for those things, and you can not even use them to its full potential.

jasong said:
The speed difference is substantial. Check the benchmarks - 4890 will be 15-20% ahead of 5770 on average. 5770 is crippled by 128 bit bus width - even ddr5 memory can't fully compensate. You can overclock it to perform about as well as a 260 but I doubt it would ever reach 4890 levels of performance. I was hoping for great things from the 5770's but looking through the reviews I'm quite disappointed. I see Prophecy has the 4890 for r2000.... isn't that about what you pay for the 5770? If prices are equal the 4890 is a no brainer. Otherwise rather go for a 5770 I suppose. I'd still prefer something more like a 260 but I go for speed 1st.
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Totally agreed, but the 4890 from take2 is R2200 so for him that is R700 rand more, just for 128 bit more? Do not feel its worth it.
 
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I would rather have a better CPU now and a less expensive mother board, by the time you going to get cash to upgrade your CPU then all that time that you been struggling will be over yes, but was it worth it? Ddr3 is dam expensive and not worth it, ddr2 now for lower level cash outs is totally worth it 4 gigs dd2 is great can run any game if you have a good GPU. So i would rather wait for the AM3 boards, and ddr3 to come down and then maybe think of upgrading now, as if you upgrade now you pay a hell of a price for those things, and you can not even use them to its full potential.
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That's exactly my thinking :)


Totally agreed, but the 4890 from take2 is R2200 so for him that is R700 rand more, just for 128 bit more? Do not feel its worth it.
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Hm... 128bit equates to a lot - but yeah I pointed out one for r2100 which is cheaper. Still a 260 will cost 1700 or so. Hm... Ok if you're getting a r1500 5770 that's definitely a good price for what it offers. I've mainly seen them around the r2k mark where I still feel 4890 offers better value.
 
The 128 bit going to help out a lot later, most the time a person does not use a GPU for more than 1-2 years so then you do not really need to get the more expensive one. I mean for me my 8800gt performs great, can run any game highest graphics with 4 gig ram. So me yes dam there a lot better cards out there, but there is no game that needs them. I feel i am only going to upgrade when i struggle to run it at nearly high and that i believe will be in quite a while.

I mean these cards got faster FPS for the games, the only time you need to get these latest cards if you running a very large screen, where increase in revolution the 8800GT will start feeling it heavily.
 
Ah screw it, 5770 it is still then. With a Phenom 965, going to be fooking awesome! And R550 motherboard. I'm sure it will still rock?
 
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I was also very nervous about the 5770. Like i said in an earlier post if i could have got the 4890 i would have taken it but i could only get a 5770. And it has really surprised me, It performs brilliantly on any game for a card of those specs. Together with a AMD 550 BE and 4GB ram on Win 7 Ult 64 its really working quite nicely.
 
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