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Yep, that is why there is such panic from them. They are in deep shyte I suspect. Especially since they had issues in the GP2 as well as the F1, and saying that a tire was cut 2 times in the f1 and what ever excuse they dug up for gp2. And no offence if you watched the video of Vettel, you can see the delamination, then blow out. His lap times was consistent the whole session so where you normally can feel the tires getting old, he felt confident enough to go at the same pace. These F1 drivers can feel the difference in the tire the moment they start to loose grip. That delamination was a failure - not on Ferrari's part. Especially since they discussed the race strategy with a Pirelli Technician in the garage with them and they did not tell them no dont do a 1 stop. Vettel did a longers first stint as well compared to everyone else.

Oi, you posted that video after I made my 'no delamination' claims! And besides, I did not watch it, I'll have to leave it for when I have more time. Thirdly, none taken! :D

Nah, I'll totally take your word for the delamination thing, until I get to the vid. And really, any delamination at all, under any working circumstances is absolutely unacceptable, IMO. That's a structural failure, and the structure should be designed with sufficient safety factor that a delamination can't happen in a race.
 
Oi, you posted that video after I made my 'no delamination' claims! And besides, I did not watch it, I'll have to leave it for when I have more time. Thirdly, none taken! :D

Nah, I'll totally take your word for the delamination thing, until I get to the vid. And really, any delamination at all, under any working circumstances is absolutely unacceptable, IMO. That's a structural failure, and the structure should be designed with sufficient safety factor that a delamination can't happen in a race.

LOL Sowwy! Im just giving you the info as I find it :P
 
Haha no, I really appreciate it! You're helping me keep up when I don't really have time to, that's a good thing!

aka my addiction is bigger than yours :P I had to follow up and just find my sources - I don't like saying something without being able to substantiate it
 
I have no words for the race yesterday. . . .

The Italian GP saw the farce that is the FIA’s relationship with Formula One at a new level.

Given the uproar over Pirelli tyres following Spa, wild claims that drivers’ lives are on the line, the FIA decided to ensure the age old habit of team’s operating tyres in an unsafe manner must stop.

F1 Team’s have for time and memorial ‘pushed the limits’ in regard to everything technical, which includes running camber angles and tyre pressures which are marginal and even beyond the recommended tyre manufacturer’s operating window.

This lead to Jo Baur and his team checking the tyre pressures of the Ferrari and Mercedes cars when they were on the grid, less than 5 minutes before the off.

Jo discovered that both Mercedes car tyre pressures on the rear tyres were beneath the pressure limits set by Pirelli. Dutifully Jo and his team who work for the FIA, reported this to the FIA as breach of the technical regulations.

Rob Smedley was adamant this breach should see Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes disqualified from the Italian GP, despite Hamilton’s claims it was a minor breach of just 0.3Psi which had not affect on performance.

“It doesn’t matter what it is,” said Smedley. “If it’s 0.3 or minus 10. When you have a technical regulation, you have to stick to that technical regulation.

“With wings we measure them and we get them to within half a millimeter of the regulations, but they are half a millimeter within, we don’t go outside the technical regulations.

“And if we did go outside and we were caught going outside then we would be disqualified.

“There’s a technical regulation and that’s in place in order that you don’t infringe it.

“So where do you go with wings? What do you do with car heights? What do you with your power units? Is it alright a bit, but it’s not alright a lot?

“We all abide by that technical regulation. If we all added a little bit then all of our cars would be two seconds quicker.

“If I took a little bit in every single area of the car, the car would be two seconds quicker, so we don’t take a little bit anywhere.

“There’s a technical regulation and they’ve infringed the technical regulation. End of story.”

Pat Symonds took a similar line when questioned by SKY. He used the example of the ‘plank’, stating it was either legal by one millimetre or illegal.

The FIA race stewards and Charlie Whiting deliberated the matter and decided that the FIA (ie himself) had not clearly communicated the appropriate protocol’s to determine if and when the tyres were indeed under inflated.

Mercedes were off the hook.

Interestingly, Charlie Whiting is responsible for communicating to the teams the FIA’s expectations with regard to technical regulations and directives, and this should be done with precision and in a way where an absolute line is drawn in the sand.

A Formula One car is either technically compliant – or not. And failing to comply with the technical regulations results in a simple decision. Exclusion from the on track session where the breach occurred.

Remember 2014 – Australia? Daniel Ricciardo was disqualified because the fuel flow on his car exceeded the allowable limit. Whether it was 1% or 0.0001% above the limit, this breach saw the Red Bull driver lose his podium place and awarded a ‘DSQ’.

Oh… and for the record, whatever the ratification procedures for F1 regulations within the FIA, Charlie is ‘Mr. F1’. He recommends and writes the proposed regulation changes and of course is the master author of all technical directives.

Charlie’s draft regulation for the engine homologation date for 2015, happened to unfortunately not include the date for this regulations deadline. In many organisations this would be viewed as incompetence.

The result is that engine manufacturers have this year been allowed to develop their engines during the season – something at complete odds with Charlie’s intentions.

Following the Jules Bianchi incident at the 2014 Japanese GP, the FIA decided that they would introduce a virtual safety car to limit the speed of F1 cars – but only through the sector of the circuit affected by an incident. This would protect marshals working in the affected area.

The actual result? Charlie has devised a protocol that does not deliver this. Cars are now forced to drive the entire lap at a reduced average speed and as we saw in Silverstone, this means the affected sector is not really protected.

This average speed solution means cars can drive flat out for periods during the lap, and in Silverstone, Lewis Hamilton approached the scene of a stricken Toro Rosso at a pace which meant had his car left the circuit, it would probably have instantly killed a marshal with a direct hit who was working less than 10 metres from the circuit.

In Monza, we saw the FIA (Jo Baur) report a breach of the technical regulations – remember breaches of the tech regs are black and white and result in a DSQ. The FIA (the stewards) then decided the FIA (Charlie) had not properly regulated how this breach should be measured – and therefore excused Mercedes from their breach of the regulations.

The FIA (the stewards) then issued a recommendation to the FIA (Charlie) to sort out the confusion.

“Stewards determine that the pressures were at the minimum start pressure recommended by Pirelli when they were fitted to the car.

Tyre warming blankets had been disconnected from their power source as is normal procedures and the tyres were significantly below the maximum permitted tyre blanket temperature at the time of the FIA measurement on the grid and significantly different temperatures from other cars measured on the grid.

The stewards decide to take no further action.

Neverthess the stewards recommend the tyre manufacturer and the FIA hold further meetings to provide clear guidance to the teams on measurements.”

TJ13 documented extensively the errors in judgment and failure to enforce regulations by FIA delegate and race director Charlie Whiting at the Japanese GP in 2014. These failures contributed to the death of Jules Bianchi.

The problem with a whitewash investigation, as was conducted by the FIA following Bianchi’s crash, is that those who are incompetent or in need of training continue to operate in an erroneous fashion and lessons are not learned.

The FIA as a regulator of Formula One is not fit for purpose at present and the simple solution would be to retire the kindly old man with the white hair – and get someone who knows what they are doing.
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The FIA as a regulator of Formula One is not fit for purpose at present and the simple solution would be to retire the kindly old man with the white hair – and get someone who knows what they are doing.
Source

I read about this (partially) this morning. What the heck is happening to F1?

According to me there is more than one "old man with white hair" that should retire/be retired. I won't be watching F1 before then, because currently it is just infuriating.
 
I read about this (partially) this morning. What the heck is happening to F1?

According to me there is more than one "old man with white hair" that should retire/be retired. I won't be watching F1 before then, because currently it is just infuriating.

It is turning into a joke. I am seriously losing all faith in the powers that be that runs F1. Then there is this that is starting again as well:

Gary Hartstein and the FIA battle - https://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/round-2-of-get-gary-jeans-after-me-again/
 
I have no words for the race yesterday. . . .

The Italian GP saw the farce that is the FIA’s relationship with Formula One at a new level.

Given the uproar over Pirelli tyres following Spa, wild claims that drivers’ lives are on the line, the FIA decided to ensure the age old habit of team’s operating tyres in an unsafe manner must stop.

F1 Team’s have for time and memorial ‘pushed the limits’ in regard to everything technical, which includes running camber angles and tyre pressures which are marginal and even beyond the recommended tyre manufacturer’s operating window.

This lead to Jo Baur and his team checking the tyre pressures of the Ferrari and Mercedes cars when they were on the grid, less than 5 minutes before the off.

Jo discovered that both Mercedes car tyre pressures on the rear tyres were beneath the pressure limits set by Pirelli. Dutifully Jo and his team who work for the FIA, reported this to the FIA as breach of the technical regulations.

Rob Smedley was adamant this breach should see Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes disqualified from the Italian GP, despite Hamilton’s claims it was a minor breach of just 0.3Psi which had not affect on performance.

“It doesn’t matter what it is,” said Smedley. “If it’s 0.3 or minus 10. When you have a technical regulation, you have to stick to that technical regulation.

“With wings we measure them and we get them to within half a millimeter of the regulations, but they are half a millimeter within, we don’t go outside the technical regulations.

“And if we did go outside and we were caught going outside then we would be disqualified.

“There’s a technical regulation and that’s in place in order that you don’t infringe it.

“So where do you go with wings? What do you do with car heights? What do you with your power units? Is it alright a bit, but it’s not alright a lot?

“We all abide by that technical regulation. If we all added a little bit then all of our cars would be two seconds quicker.

“If I took a little bit in every single area of the car, the car would be two seconds quicker, so we don’t take a little bit anywhere.

“There’s a technical regulation and they’ve infringed the technical regulation. End of story.”

Pat Symonds took a similar line when questioned by SKY. He used the example of the ‘plank’, stating it was either legal by one millimetre or illegal.

The FIA race stewards and Charlie Whiting deliberated the matter and decided that the FIA (ie himself) had not clearly communicated the appropriate protocol’s to determine if and when the tyres were indeed under inflated.

Mercedes were off the hook.

Interestingly, Charlie Whiting is responsible for communicating to the teams the FIA’s expectations with regard to technical regulations and directives, and this should be done with precision and in a way where an absolute line is drawn in the sand.

A Formula One car is either technically compliant – or not. And failing to comply with the technical regulations results in a simple decision. Exclusion from the on track session where the breach occurred.

Remember 2014 – Australia? Daniel Ricciardo was disqualified because the fuel flow on his car exceeded the allowable limit. Whether it was 1% or 0.0001% above the limit, this breach saw the Red Bull driver lose his podium place and awarded a ‘DSQ’.

Oh… and for the record, whatever the ratification procedures for F1 regulations within the FIA, Charlie is ‘Mr. F1’. He recommends and writes the proposed regulation changes and of course is the master author of all technical directives.

Charlie’s draft regulation for the engine homologation date for 2015, happened to unfortunately not include the date for this regulations deadline. In many organisations this would be viewed as incompetence.

The result is that engine manufacturers have this year been allowed to develop their engines during the season – something at complete odds with Charlie’s intentions.

Following the Jules Bianchi incident at the 2014 Japanese GP, the FIA decided that they would introduce a virtual safety car to limit the speed of F1 cars – but only through the sector of the circuit affected by an incident. This would protect marshals working in the affected area.

The actual result? Charlie has devised a protocol that does not deliver this. Cars are now forced to drive the entire lap at a reduced average speed and as we saw in Silverstone, this means the affected sector is not really protected.

This average speed solution means cars can drive flat out for periods during the lap, and in Silverstone, Lewis Hamilton approached the scene of a stricken Toro Rosso at a pace which meant had his car left the circuit, it would probably have instantly killed a marshal with a direct hit who was working less than 10 metres from the circuit.

In Monza, we saw the FIA (Jo Baur) report a breach of the technical regulations – remember breaches of the tech regs are black and white and result in a DSQ. The FIA (the stewards) then decided the FIA (Charlie) had not properly regulated how this breach should be measured – and therefore excused Mercedes from their breach of the regulations.

The FIA (the stewards) then issued a recommendation to the FIA (Charlie) to sort out the confusion.

“Stewards determine that the pressures were at the minimum start pressure recommended by Pirelli when they were fitted to the car.

Tyre warming blankets had been disconnected from their power source as is normal procedures and the tyres were significantly below the maximum permitted tyre blanket temperature at the time of the FIA measurement on the grid and significantly different temperatures from other cars measured on the grid.

The stewards decide to take no further action.

Neverthess the stewards recommend the tyre manufacturer and the FIA hold further meetings to provide clear guidance to the teams on measurements.”

TJ13 documented extensively the errors in judgment and failure to enforce regulations by FIA delegate and race director Charlie Whiting at the Japanese GP in 2014. These failures contributed to the death of Jules Bianchi.

The problem with a whitewash investigation, as was conducted by the FIA following Bianchi’s crash, is that those who are incompetent or in need of training continue to operate in an erroneous fashion and lessons are not learned.

The FIA as a regulator of Formula One is not fit for purpose at present and the simple solution would be to retire the kindly old man with the white hair – and get someone who knows what they are doing.
Source

i really dont know why they are making an issue over tire pressure, the same with the fuel, F1 is supposed to be tactical, so if you ran with less tire pressure you will have more grip and less speed likewise less fuel gives you a lighter car but then you will have to add refuels to your strategy, they should just go back to the rules from the 90's those were the best years. F1 is honestly becoming too Anal.

PS i feel really bad for Rosberg, he always seems to end up getting the short end of the stick
 
i really dont know why they are making an issue over tire pressure, the same with the fuel, F1 is supposed to be tactical, so if you ran with less tire pressure you will have more grip and less speed likewise less fuel gives you a lighter car but then you will have to add refuels to your strategy, they should just go back to the rules from the 90's those were the best years. F1 is honestly becoming too Anal.

PS i feel really bad for Rosberg, he always seems to end up getting the short end of the stick

The bigger issue is not the fact that they have become anal, but after SPA and Vettel's blowout Pirelli insisted that all teams have to follow the strict guidelines given to them - a fact that Mecr seemed to have ignored. But once again the powers that be decided not to penalise Merc, if it was any other team especially red bull/ferrari/williams - they would have been given the DSQ. So I just cannot understand how it is so blatantly being flouted.
 
F1 is turning into a sham i don't really like it anymore that's why i love moto GP no such shit and politics and an old man with an iron fist.
i'm not even playing the f1 superbru anymore and yet somehow i still manage to move up places :p
 
LEADING THE FIELD

In he strides, purposeful, confident, smiling, but obviously with something serious on his mind.

“Jenson, come on, let’s go now.” Our four-time world champion turns to the cliquey gangs of his gossiping peers, and with a summoning wave of his right hand forthrightly beckons them to follow.

All at once, save for one predictably overly affected trying-too-hard-to-be-cool megastar, the class of F1 2015 dutifully do as requested and follow their leader.

Two minutes later, atop the Sunday morning Drivers’ Parade trailer, and a touching and respectful caps-off minute’s silence for the recently deceased English IndyCar driver Justin Wilson has been observed by – almost – all of the group.

Now I don’t know whose idea it was to so poignantly and appropriately honour their fallen colleague, but I do know who took control and led the field.

Sebastian Vettel is really impressing this year. Sure, his high speed tyre blow-out at the recent Belgian Grand Prix resulted in some ill-advised, emotionally fuelled ranting, but that understandable outburst aside he’s been a model of how a superstar multi-title-winning racing driver should be.

Speaking as a photographer fortunate to have worked at every race of the German’s stellar F1 career, I have always been puzzled as to why he’s never quite received the level of praise and respect he undoubtedly deserves.

Bouncing into the 2006 paddock with a Friday morning BMW Sauber drive, Seb made all the right moves, quickly impressing seasoned observers with his pace and professionalism.

A few short years later and the awkward-looking teenager had grown into a world championship-winning adult, utilising to frightening effect the chance he’d been given of driving for a team so utterly attuned to his needs and hell-bent on domination.

In this fickle world of a ‘we-build-’em-up-and-then-knock-’em-down’ mindset, it should come as no surprise that as soon as Sebastian had helped develop the Adrian Newey-designed, Renault-powered, Red Bull-run super-cars – adapting his driving style to so perfectly extract every ounce of performance from the hot-exhaust-gas diffuser-blowing racers – the very same people who had lauded the coming man were now knocking him down for being ‘lucky’.

Argh, the utter fallacy of luck… There really is no such thing.

Four crushing world championship wins in the bag and Sebastian is now leading the Scuderia’s Mercedes-chasing charge. Granted 2014 didn’t deliver the silverware that Vettel had become accustomed to, and we saw a slightly less chirpy and more moody side to the champion, but really, isn’t that to be expected? Only very, very few top sports stars continue to dominate year after year after year. The emotional highs and competitive edge has surely to drop as a result of so much success, only to be rekindled when a new challenge presents itself.

Save for being a professional photographer documenting F1 race weekends I have no relationship with Sebastian. Never having worked for any of his teams or sponsors that’s understandable, but as an observer, I’m impressed. Impressed by his demeanour, fascinated by his lack of a star-studded life trappings, pleased to hear – from colleagues who know him well – that Vettel trawls Tokyo back-street vinyl record stores searching out rare grooves. Impressive and uncommon enough for any F1 driver but, even more so given that he's German!

On the grid, in the paddock, away from the track, Sebastian is and appears to remain true to himself, his upbringing, his family and his friends.

It’s good to see, and such a contrast to some of those he races against.

Credit where credit’s due…

NOW CLICK HERE!

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I have to say this is the best description of Vettel in a long time.
 

I liked VET. I really did. Then he started handling pressure from teammate WEB poorly. He showed a nasty, ferocious side that, while necessary to a champion, I genuinely disliked, and as such, VET fell in my standing. Hard.

Since, he has fallen on "hard times", as much as one can have hard times while being a Formula 1 driver for a living. Like your article noted, he has gone without the silverware he has grown accustomed to. And this is where he truly showed his champion colours.

The way that VET has handled being at Ferrari, with a strong competitive teammate driving him, and with the development from a piss poor car to the current championship contending state, has shown him to be a strong leader, with compassion for those he works with, and a humble guy that is trying his utmost to do his job - not well, not to the best of his ability, but the best in the world.

VET at Ferrari has regained all the respect I had lost for him, and then some.
 
I have always loved him, even during the difficult times. I like that fact that he is human, he shows his faults, he doesnt hide it behind neon white mohawks and earings bigger than some small countries :P I think the first couple of years at Redbull was good, the last few was just a tad to long. I think Ferrari was the best choice for him. He has found the perfect team and team mate, because Vettel and Kimi complement each other and their driving styles are rather similar. So I think he will continue to thrive there and they will win a championship with him in the next couple of years if Bernie and Max and Jean todt will allow someone else besides Merc and lewis to win.

One of the reasons I adore him and Rosberg and a few of the others, is that they take the job seriously but they don't strive to live the superstar life. They really are amazing people who are humble and brilliant at the same time.
 
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